Fall ball

[Hoosier_Dave]

Just got a call from a league director organizing a fall ball league. 15 teams, 10U, 12U. 12U has both a competitive level and an instructional level.

League rule: no tolerance for unruly parents. If a parent gets ejected, the coach is ejected too. If a parent refuses to leave after being ejected, call the sheriff and remove him/her. I have no doubts that he'll do this.

This was the result of an umpire leaving the field during a game because of unruly parents.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Hoosier_Dave

Just got a call from a league director organizing a fall ball league. 15 teams, 10U, 12U. 12U has both a competitive level and an instructional level.

League rule: no tolerance for unruly parents. If a parent gets ejected, the coach is ejected too. If a parent refuses to leave after being ejected, call the sheriff and remove him/her. I have no doubts that he'll do this.

This was the result of an umpire leaving the field during a game because of unruly parents.

In all the games, in all the years I've worked, I've never even CONSIDERED ejecting a parent. Fans are outside the fences - ignore them.

This is your league foisting off a problem area onto YOU, when they should handle it themselves. Making this ejection YOUR problem (and exacerbating the anger by ejecting the coach as well) is more likely to become a parking lot problem for you.

I am all in favor of "No tolerance for unruly parents", but making it the UMPIRE's issue is a HORRIBLE idea.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

In all the games, in all the years I've worked, I've never even CONSIDERED ejecting a parent. Fans are outside the fences - ignore them.

This is your league foisting off a problem area onto YOU, when they should handle it themselves. Making this ejection YOUR problem (and exacerbating the anger by ejecting the coach as well) is more likely to become a parking lot problem for you.

I am all in favor of "No tolerance for unruly parents", but making it the UMPIRE's issue is a HORRIBLE idea.

I have had the tournament officials remove a parent. I was at 3rd and this parent literally cussed at the kid at 3rd base - to me, that was WAAAAAAY over the line. I told her if she hurried, she could get back to the hotel beore the pool closes cause she certainly wasn't watching the rest of this game!

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

I have had the tournament officials remove a parent. I was at 3rd and this parent literally cussed at the kid at 3rd base - to me, that was WAAAAAAY over the line. I told her if she hurried, she could get back to the hotel beore the pool closes cause she certainly wasn't watching the rest of this game!

Congrats ... but why did you feel it was necessary for you, as umpire, to interject yourself. It may have been way over A line, but it is not your line to draw unless a fan gets to the point where they are disrupting a game (which for me, would practically require said fan to enter the field).

You're asking for trouble addressing any nonsense outside the fence ... especially if mandated by rule as in the OP.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Congrats ... but why did you feel it was necessary for you, as umpire, to interject yourself. It may have been way over A line, but it is not your line to draw unless a fan gets to the point where they are disrupting a game (which for me, would practically require said fan to enter the field).

You're asking for trouble addressing any nonsense outside the fence ... especially if mandated by rule as in the OP.

IMO, a fan sitting on the first row, right next to the field, cussing at a girl that's 11 yo IS a disruption to the game. When you can see it effecting the kids - I'd step in everytime. You may disagree, but without hesitation, I'd do it again. It's not about the fans or me - it's about the kids.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

IMO, a fan sitting on the first row, right next to the field, cussing at a girl that's 11 yo IS a disruption to the game. When you can see it effecting the kids - I'd step in everytime. You may disagree, but without hesitation, I'd do it again. It's not about the fans or me - it's about the kids.

No offense here, but you seem to be proving in both forums today that you don't actually call the levels you are posting. A real NCAA umpire would NEVER EVER EVER acknowledge the fans. And you should never do so at lower levels either. If an umpire working for me did as you suggest, I'd hesitate to schedule them. This is an AWFUL idea.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

In all the games, in all the years I've worked, I've never even CONSIDERED ejecting a parent. Fans are outside the fences - ignore them.

This is your league foisting off a problem area onto YOU, when they should handle it themselves. Making this ejection YOUR problem (and exacerbating the anger by ejecting the coach as well) is more likely to become a parking lot problem for you.

I am all in favor of "No tolerance for unruly parents", but making it the UMPIRE's issue is a HORRIBLE idea.

Are you saying you have never had a situation where spectator(s) are disrupting or inciting the players?

Especially in HS or youth games, some behavior "outside the fence" is unacceptable and we might need to remind the TD/admin/coach.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Congrats ... but why did you feel it was necessary for you, as umpire, to interject yourself. It may have been way over A line, but it is not your line to draw unless a fan gets to the point where they are disrupting a game (which for me, would practically require said fan to enter the field).

You're asking for trouble addressing any nonsense outside the fence ... especially if mandated by rule as in the OP.

I agree. The umpire is there to officiate the game. The umpire is not there as the language police, social services, ground crew, crowd control or babysitter (except adult SP).

If an umpire is that upset with a fan's action, it should be addressed to a coach, TD or site administrator.

Yes, I know there are organizations which afford an umpire authority outside the fence. I do not agree with it and, in certain circumstances, can place undo liability on an umpire.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

No offense here, but you seem to be proving in both forums today that you don't actually call the levels you are posting. A real NCAA umpire would NEVER EVER EVER acknowledge the fans. And you should never do so at lower levels either. If an umpire working for me did as you suggest, I'd hesitate to schedule them. This is an AWFUL idea.

First of all, let me look and see - NOPE, It wasn't an NCAA game - unless they allow 11 year olds to play college ball. I don't worry about the fans at any level UNLESS they are disrupting the game and bothering the kids. If you would allow this to happen then you have the problem. A fan yelling obsenities at a child IS a problem and I will not tollerate it on my field. What you are saying is you have no morals? (No offense here!)

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

First of all, let me look and see - NOPE, It wasn't an NCAA game - unless they allow 11 year olds to play college ball. I don't worry about the fans at any level UNLESS they are disrupting the game and bothering the kids. If you would allow this to happen then you have the problem. A fan yelling obsenities at a child IS a problem and I will not tollerate it on my field. What you are saying is you have no morals? (No offense here!)

Don't you two have email accounts with which you can disagree?

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

Don't you two have email accounts with which you can disagree?

That's funny! Heck, I'd give him my phone number and we could talk on the phone. Ain't nothing but a thing!!

[SRW]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

...I will not tollerate it on my field. ...

You own the field?

[IamMatt]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The umpire is not there as the language police, social services, ground crew, crowd control or babysitter (except adult SP).

Now that's funny!

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If an umpire is that upset with a fan's action, it should be addressed to a coach, TD or site administrator.

A quick review of my post would reveal that this is exactly what I did. I certainly did not remove them - had tournament management do it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

A quick review of my post would reveal that this is exactly what I did. I certainly did not remove them - had tournament management do it.

Didn't say you didn't, especially since I wasn't responding to your post.

I would say, however, that what you described, I wouldn't consider that as affecting the game and wouldn't even address this issue.