R2 out for passing R1. Dead ball and R1 out on the interference of R2 continuing to run (backwards) and drawing a throw. Now, what was your question? :D ;) :rolleyes: :cool:

Hopefully, F5 gets the ball and tags R2, second out. ;)

Welcome!
I realize you were setting a scenario as to when the inning is over, but still, unless the clock is on the scoreboard, which of us is going to call for another inning with 2 sec left? Not me. :rolleyes:

I was hoping no one would pick on him about that, but R2 can't pass R1 while stealing 2nd, even if from 3rd. :p
And R2 better be getting back to 2nd, no INT. :p :D

No, time limit is wayyyy to short. 6 innings in 1:15. :eek: I say more like 2 hour limit.

1:00 to an 1:30 seems to be the norm for softball. Most of the games I work don't even go 2:00 for a 7 inning game.

I looked for the phrase "valid use of time" in all of my books and can't find it. ;)

Seriously - this is a faulty way of looking at things, but if this is your opinion, would you nullify the run in the hypothetical I posted? Are you also saying that on a timing play, the timing of the CALL is what you go by as opposed to the timing of the out itself? This is just wrong.

Ouch. Quite a typo, that.

Nice of you to Say So. I'll alert all the local leagues I work with that YOU have deemed 2 hours the proper time.

Instead of calling something for which you know nothing (the list grows...) "Stupid", perhaps you should ask about the reasoning behind what you would consider a very short time limit.

Then those of us who've done this for more than 8 minutes could enlighten you. In my case, most of the league games are played during the week and in the evening. We are a bit on the outskirts, so asking anyone to make a game before 6 is unreasonable. Asking the kids (anywhere from 6 to 16) to be out past 10 is also unreasonable. So by your law, we could never play 2 in an evening. 1:15 is short, but in MOST games the outcome is pretty well determined by then.

With the older girls, the JV often plays at 6, with the varsity showing up to play at 7:30. No time limit on the varsity, but we're NEVER going to hold up the varsity game so we can play a longer JV game --- so 1:15 is often what they play as well (if the visitor is close, sometimes we get going by 5:30, and use 1:45 time limit).

So, as you can see, sometimes 1:15 is the BEST of all possible solutions among a list of unideal choices. Far from STUPID.

Just completed a national where all games were 1:40 limit, including championship and if.

Most games which timed out did so in the 7th inning. Those few which timed out earlier involved two weak teams or were extremely lopsided.

If your norm is 2 hours to complete 6 innings, I feel sorry for you.

I hadnt thought the statement through to be all inclusive...

so in your instance you are correct, in the OP, its game over IMO

Me either, but the theory discussion was interesting.

If I show up and its 110 drop dead.. i know its gonna be a good day

"Game over" in the OP means the out did not occur until called/announced.
How is that consistent?

Just so I'm clear
 

-By the logic of the discussion, we're saying that on dead ball appeal play, the out is occurring when the umpire rules on it, correct? (I.E. A runner missing second base on the way to third is appealed after TIME is called, and is subsequently ruled out - this did not become an out until ruled upon, correct?)