"The play"

[mcrowder]

A dead ball cannot be revived. I suppose you're stuck with relying on the God rule here (no protest would be valid on this anyway ... not sure how a call to anyone would be valid). I can see several valid ways to rectify this, all of which would be only supported by the God rule.

1) R1 scores, R2 out, BR to first.
2) R1 to 3rd, R2 to 2nd, BR to first (after all, no outs had been completed at the point of the dead ball - I could argue in favor of this if I had to).
3) R1 scores, R2 and BR out (if it was obvious to the umpires that a double play was the most likely outcome)
4) probably more possibilities.

I would probably go with 1.

[Mountaineer]

I would want to go with mcrowder, but I don't see how you can award home on a dead ball - maybe you can. I think I would do #1 in his answer but would be awful tempted to put R1 on 3rd, R2 out, and BR on 1st. Of course if I can award BR 1st why can't I award R1 home? See how confused I am?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

A dead ball cannot be revived. I suppose you're stuck with relying on the God rule here (no protest would be valid on this anyway ... not sure how a call to anyone would be valid). I can see several valid ways to rectify this, all of which would be only supported by the God rule.

1) R1 scores, R2 out, BR to first.
2) R1 to 3rd, R2 to 2nd, BR to first (after all, no outs had been completed at the point of the dead ball - I could argue in favor of this if I had to).
3) R1 scores, R2 and BR out (if it was obvious to the umpires that a double play was the most likely outcome)
4) probably more possibilities.

I would probably go with 1.

Thanks for saying it more succinctly.

[tcblue13]

R1 can't score
once you kill it she has to go back to the last base touched

R2 wasn't out even though it was initially ruled by BU - should be overturned

BR awarded 1B on the Dead ball and R2 forced to 2B

Bases loaded no outs

[mcrowder]

Not true tc.

When you're resorting to the God Rule to solve something, you are simply fixing it. "Making rulings on things not covered in the book". There are situations where the ball goes dead BY RULE, and for many of those, you are correct - runners return even if only 1 step short of a base.

However, there are many others where the ball goes dead and runners are advanced (ball out of play comes immediately to mind - runner tagged out after being obstructed as well - probably many more). The mere fact that the ball is dead (without knowing the reason) does not mean runners cannot be placed in advance of their current position.