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Don,
OK, I must have missed the part about the runner stopping & standing on the white base. I thought you were saying that she hit only the white base & then ran on down the line. If the batter-runner beats the ball, hits only the white base, stops & stands on white base, I see that as the same effect as hitting the orange, overrunning, & then returning to the white base. That batter-runner is safe as I understand the double base rule. btw, I hate getting wakeup calls from the office.
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Wed Aug 08, 2001, 06:31am
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Don,
If the runner stops on the white prior to the ball reaching the base, the runner is safe. Why? Because if the BR was there that early to be able to stop and be standing on the base prior to the ball reaching F3, then there really was no viable play, therefore allowing the BR to use either portion of the bag. I believe you are overthinking this play. The present ruling is no different than the ruling used with a regular base. As for your scenario at 2B, whether the runner who is 6" off the bag is safe or out could depend heavily on the umpire's angle to the play and the thickness of the base. BTW, for those who haven't heard this before, my personal belief is that the double-base is nothing, but a sad excuse for players not being properly coached on the mechanics of playing 1st base. But, if you work ASA ball, you better get use to them. It has already been announced that begining in 2002, all JO Championship Play games will require the use of the double-base. However, I have been told by a commissioner that it looks like this rule may be applied to ALL divisions and level of ASA Championship Play, not just JO or fastpitch.
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Wed Aug 08, 2001, 09:19am
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Perhaps a better solution would be to actually give some teeth to the obstruction violation for fielders who block the bases without the ball, but as you say, we'd better get used to the double base a 1st.
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Wed Aug 08, 2001, 09:56am
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Don,
If a runner going into 2nd "reaches" the base before the ball then that runner is safe unless tagged while off the base or appealled for missing the base if they are no longer in the "vicinity" (IMO within a step or two of the base). So in your example of the runner standing at 2nd 6" off the bag on a force play, I've got a SAFE runner unless she is tagged while off the base. --Sam
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Wed Aug 08, 2001, 01:34pm
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Thank-you
I appreciate all of your replies and view points and as Mike said I am probably overthinking this play and should just call it as written. It one of those situations with a double base that probably wont happen but once or twice a year and many ways dont think the double base is all that but as stubborn as I am I do understand that what we get paid for is to enforce the rules the way they are written.
SO BE IT Don
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Wed Aug 08, 2001, 06:01pm
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Re: Earlier Statement Regarding
Double Base [Aug 6, 0920] I really like and IMO think that AFA has the best procedure for handling the DB at this time. Initial play - 1B utilized as one big base. Runner or defender my use either white/orange portion. Once runner secures 1B she must utilize the white side. [makes sense since orange in foul ground, and as a runner she would be off base with ball in circle could be called out] Remember, all JMHO glen .
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Wed Aug 08, 2001, 10:00pm
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Glen,
Doesn't using both portions of the double-base defeat the "safety" factor for which this base was designed? Does AFA recognize this piece of equipment necessary as a safety measure? If it does, ignoring it's purpose may put the organization at risk in case of litigation. JMHO,
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Thu Aug 09, 2001, 05:25pm
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To be honest our Rule (AFA) book does not even mention anything about the double base at this time. We utilized it on trail basis in several qualifiers, the state, and the nationals for the first time. We had no problems at any of these events. Most of the players utilize the double base in their ASA play, but none really objected to the procedure that we have been using and none seem to have any problem adjusting to differences. glen
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