NFHS uniform question

[SC Ump]

"For individual players, uniform sleeve lengths may vary" means... B1 could wear long sleeves and B2 could wear short sleeves and B3 could wear 3/4 length sleeves.

"Sleeves of each individual player shall be approximately the same length" means... B1 cannot have the sleeve on her left arm long and the sleeve on her right arm short.

[tcblue13]

Originally Posted by SC Ump

"For individual players, uniform sleeve lengths may vary" means... B1 could wear long sleeves and B2 could wear short sleeves and B3 could wear 3/4 length sleeves.

"Sleeves of each individual player shall be approximately the same length" means... B1 cannot have the sleeve on her left arm long and the sleeve on her right arm short.

When I read that rule (BTW, there was a question on the test from it) I understood it to mean that it was okay for the lengths to vary on each player but the team had to be uniform. A medium sleeve would come just above the elbow on a bigger girl and it would fall to just above the wrist on a smaller girl. Yet, both girls are wearing the medium sleeve. That would be a good question for the NHFS forum.

[WestMichBlue]

Originally Posted by tcblue13

That would be a good question for the NHFS forum.

My opinion from the NFHS Forum:

Well, it is not a surprise. The uniform rule has read that way for nearly 30 years. Back then most girls wore baseball style uniforms, though some (from warm weather states?) were wearing short sleeve shirts.

I think this rule allowed that change, but states that whatever sleeve length you have, they all must be approximately the same.

Why not exactly all the same, when the same manufacturer makes the shirts? Probably, due to availability of shirts each year, a small girl could get a medium shirt and the sleeve might end at her elbow. Whereas the sleeve end of a shirt correctly sized for a player may end halfway between the elbow and shoulder.

But they are all short-sleeved shirts and thus all the players are legal.


WMB

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

My opinion from the NFHS Forum:

Well, it is not a surprise. The uniform rule has read that way for nearly 30 years. Back then most girls wore baseball style uniforms, though some (from warm weather states?) were wearing short sleeve shirts.

I think this rule allowed that change, but states that whatever sleeve length you have, they all must be approximately the same.

Why not exactly all the same, when the same manufacturer makes the shirts? Probably, due to availability of shirts each year, a small girl could get a medium shirt and the sleeve might end at her elbow. Whereas the sleeve end of a shirt correctly sized for a player may end halfway between the elbow and shoulder.

But they are all short-sleeved shirts and thus all the players are legal.


WMB

I respectfully disagree with you on this. The rule in question, 3.2.6 states:

For INDIVIDUAL players, uniform sleeve lengths may vary.

To me, this means that each individual player can dictate whether they are cold or hot and can wear sleeve lengths to their INDIVIDUAL tastes.

The rule contiues:
However, sleeves of EACH INDIVIDUAL player shall be approximately the same length and shall not be ragged, frayed or slit.

Again, to me, this says that while they can determine their own sleeve length, they can't have a long sleeve on the right arm and a short one on the left arm.

This rule does NOT (IMO) discuss the TEAM'S sleeve length - but the INDIVIDUAL.

If you go up to 3.2.1 it states something about Uniforms of all team members which is clearly different verbage from the words individual players.

I promise you in my game, if a girl wants to wear long sleeves and another girl on the same team wants to wear short - by my interpretation of the rule, I have no problem.

[tcblue13]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

I respectfully disagree with you on this. The rule in question, 3.2.6 states:

For INDIVIDUAL players, uniform sleeve lengths may vary.

To me, this means that each individual player can dictate whether they are cold or hot and can wear sleeve lengths to their INDIVIDUAL tastes.

The rule contiues:
However, sleeves of EACH INDIVIDUAL player shall be approximately the same length and shall not be ragged, frayed or slit.

Again, to me, this says that while they can determine their own sleeve length, they can't have a long sleeve on the right arm and a short one on the left arm.

This rule does NOT (IMO) discuss the TEAM'S sleeve length - but the INDIVIDUAL.

If you go up to 3.2.1 it states something about Uniforms of all team members which is clearly different verbage from the words individual players.

I promise you in my game, if a girl wants to wear long sleeves and another girl on the same team wants to wear short - by my interpretation of the rule, I have no problem.

Larry,
I obviously agree w/ WMB since that is how I read it.
Did you know Al Strigle??

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by tcblue13

Larry,
I obviously agree w/ WMB since that is how I read it.
Did you know Al Strigle??

I don't even see how you can read it that way. It says individual player, how can that be interpreted as a team? It would say, sleeve lengths for each team member must be the same length. Since it doesn't read that way, I am puzzled as to how you can read "team" into that.

Al Strigle? That came out of left field - what in the world would cause you to ask that? I did know him, not well though. We went to church together and he was quite a bit older than I was. I played some church softball with him, but that was the extent of it. How did you know him and again, why would you ask me that (just curious)?

[tcblue13]

When we lived in Northern VA, Al and Renee' daughter was my wife's best friend and their granddaughter was my daughter's best friend. I got to know them through their visits. I asked the question because Al was a Baseball umpire so I thought you might know him. He is greatly missed as he was like a granddad to my daughters as well.

Sorry to catch you out of left field. Next time I will PM you

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by SC Ump

"For individual players, uniform sleeve lengths may vary" means... B1 could wear long sleeves and B2 could wear short sleeves and B3 could wear 3/4 length sleeves.

"Sleeves of each individual player shall be approximately the same length" means... B1 cannot have the sleeve on her left arm long and the sleeve on her right arm short.

From my interpretation, Dan you are 100% correct.