When do you call "Time!"

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

The rule I use to kill the ball says an umpire can call time.. what rule are you referring too?

10-8-I says the umpire is to kill the ball when all immediate play has been completed. That is apparently your standard, which you also apparently interpret to fall into the "conditions justify" clause of 10-8-A, which I claim was not the intent at all.

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Its not a straw man to talk about the picking off the runners on base - thats a specific argument on the part of posters on your side of the argument that killing the ball (when its effectively dead anyway once in the circle with F1 and runners are on bag, barring knuckleheadness not worthy of discussion) prevents a pitcher from attempting to pick off the runner.

Yes, it is a straw man argument in replying to my posts, since I never raised that argument. I am arguing against killing the ball just because you, the umpire, think things should stop now.

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Play is dead.. people are waiting.. thats all thats happening.

What people are waiting? Can't you keep a game moving without killing it?

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Course IMO, in timed games, its the girls you are robbing when you can only get in 4 innings in a buck 20 and wonder why FP is so slow. Its their game though, let em lag.

all you want. My original, and still, objection to your philosophy is that you apparently kill the ball during live action merely because the players are too slow and are keeping you out of the shade.

If you care to reply to me again, keep it to that topic, will you? And quit dragging in all of your other silliness about 5 minutes between innings, people waiting on a pitch to happen, etc., etc. All of that can be controlled without calling TIME 200 times a game.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

10-8-I says the umpire is to kill the ball when all immediate play has been completed. That is apparently your standard, which you also apparently interpret to fall into the "conditions justify" clause of 10-8-A, which I claim was not the intent at all.


Yes, it is a straw man argument in replying to my posts, since I never raised that argument. I am arguing against killing the ball just because you, the umpire, think things should stop now.
What people are waiting? Can't you keep a game moving without killing it? all you want. My original, and still, objection to your philosophy is that you apparently kill the ball during live action merely because the players are too slow and are keeping you out of the shade.

If you care to reply to me again, keep it to that topic, will you? And quit dragging in all of your other silliness about 5 minutes between innings, people waiting on a pitch to happen, etc., etc. All of that can be controlled without calling TIME 200 times a game.

The only games where there is probably time enough to call time 200 times a game is yalls


S'Ok dakota, i know ur prone to overreaching rhetoric to inflate in your mind the value your point.



Man with work and umpiring every day, havent had much time to get the anal retentive point of view of umpiring..

man i missed yall

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

The only games where there is probably time enough to call time 200 times a game is yalls


S'Ok dakota, i know ur prone to overreaching rhetoric to inflate in your mind the value your point.



Man with work and umpiring every day, havent had much time to get the anal retentive point of view of umpiring..

man i missed yall

IOW, say nothing at all on point. Again with the dingers. You're adament that your way (the SP way) is best, and call games that way 'cause dammit you're right & don't need not stinkin' rule changes, but I'm anal retentive??? You're a piece of work, wade.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

IOW, say nothing at all on point. Again with the dingers. You're adament that your way (the SP way) is best, and call games that way 'cause dammit you're right & don't need not stinkin' rule changes, but I'm anal retentive??? You're a piece of work, wade.

Hey, youre equally a piece of work.. you complain about zingers, and lace your own posts with zingers, you invent stuff.. (like rule changes, where did you get that?? We are subject to Mikes pals fixing what aint broke in the rule book every year.. thats part of umpiring. I never said anything about rule changes) .. not only that, I was more DEFENDIng my method, not claiming its the only right way, which is what you are doing for your own methods. I stated straight up my methods are not for everyone. Obviously not for you. Cool man.. Many umpires, many ways of doing things. You do what you dig.

Your posts are like living 1 dimensional irony.

Theres no rule you can cling to to support your contention I cant do what I do so you've resorted to rhetoric.

Sad really - hey if its not illegal, its legal.

Period.

Maybe if you dont like it you can get ahold of ASA and make lead offs legal and you can truely have a REAL live ball game..

but we dont as of now, so you will have to pretend we do.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Hey, youre equally a piece of work.. you complain about zingers, and lace your own posts with zingers, you invent stuff.. (like rule changes, where did you get that?? We are subject to Mikes pals fixing what aint broke in the rule book every year.. thats part of umpiring. I never said anything about rule changes) .. not only that, I was more DEFENDIng my method, not claiming its the only right way, which is what you are doing for your own methods. I stated straight up my methods are not for everyone. Obviously not for you. Cool man.. Many umpires, many ways of doing things. You do what you dig.

Your posts are like living 1 dimensional irony.

Theres no rule you can cling to to support your contention I cant do what I do so you've resorted to rhetoric.

Sad really - hey if its not illegal, its legal.

Period.

Maybe if you dont like it you can get ahold of ASA and make lead offs legal and you can truely have a REAL live ball game..

but we dont as of now, so you will have to pretend we do.

Listen, wade, you started the little typical semi-flame internet dingers. You want to make this a flame war? You're on the wrong board.

You are taking the SP suspended play rule, applying it to FP, and using the unusual condition suspended play rule to justify your god-like power to do what you please, all in the name of making the game what you think it should be, or to be able to sit in the shade and ridicule your fellow blues about who can "manage" their games better.

I'm just glad you're somewhere else.

Riddle me this, batman, why do you have to kill the ball to get players to hustle? Here's another riddle... what the heck does the between innings warmups have to do with killing the ball? Your arguments are so scattershotted they defy logic. You can't keep on point - why do you kill the ball when it is in the hands of an outfielder? Answer that, will you?