batting out of order?

[fan]

An improper batter (someone batting out of order) completes at bat and gets out. Defensive team notices than appeals. Is the batter that failed to bat in the proper order out too?

Thanks

[blu_bawls]

If dicovered before the next pitch (legal or illegal), the out would be recorded to the proper batter/runner and the batter immediately following the proper batter would be required to come to the plate for her turn.

[fan]

So, the out would not be credited to the improper batter who already got out. So, only one out would come of this even though the improper batter already got out and the appeal was made before the next pitch. The out would be credited to the proper batter who failed to bat in his/her spot?

[LMan]

Correct. The proper batter is called out, and the improper batter removed from the bases. The next batter is the one that follows the called-out batter's position in the batting order.

[blu_bawls]

Yes. The correct batter (CB) would say to the improper batter (IB) as she returns to the dug out, "Thanks for hitting for me. I wish I would have been safe."

Then the next batter who follows the CB in the line up would swing away.

[tcblue13]

Originally Posted by LMan

Correct. The proper batter is called out, and the improper batter removed from the bases. The next batter is the one that follows the called-out batter's position in the batting order.

Even if it is the improper batter

[CecilOne]

Doesn't the out stand in ASA?

[LMan]

Originally Posted by tcblue13

Even if it is the improper batter

Yes. Its entirely possible to remove the improper batter from a base and put him/her at bat to try again.

[justmom]

Originally Posted by fan

So, the out would not be credited to the improper batter who already got out. So, only one out would come of this even though the improper batter already got out and the appeal was made before the next pitch. The out would be credited to the proper batter who failed to bat in his/her spot?

FED rule 7.1.2 effect: The umpire shall declare the batter who should have batted out (not the improper batter). Any other outs on the play stand.

[LMan]

except that an out for BOO supersedes an out made by the batter-runner. All other outs gained on the play stand.

[justmom]

Originally Posted by LMan

except that an out for BOO supersedes an out made by the batter-runner. All other outs gained on the play stand.

Not sure what you are saying here...could you reference a rule either FED or ASA?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by LMan

except that an out for BOO supersedes an out made by the batter-runner. All other outs gained on the play stand.

Not in ASA.

[baldgriff]

Originally Posted by fan

An improper batter (someone batting out of order) completes at bat and gets out . Defensive team notices than appeals. Is the batter that failed to bat in the proper order out too?

Thanks

The improper batter made an out. Do you have an out for the play and an out for the BOO is the question.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by fan

An improper batter (someone batting out of order) completes at bat and gets out. Defensive team notices than appeals. Is the batter that failed to bat in the proper order out too?

Thanks

Short answer to original question:

In ASA - yes
In NFHS - no

Not sure about the rest of the alphabet soup (NSA, USSSA, AFA, USFA, etc...)

[UmpireErnie]

To expound a bit as this is a big difference between ASA and NFHS (High School) rules:

If BOO is appealed at end of Improper Batter’s (IB) time at bat and before next pitch etc. then…

In NFHS: the IB’s out or her existence on base goes “poof”. She is erased. But any other outs that were made on the IB’s turn at bat stand. Any other runners who advanced on the last pitch of the IB’s time at bat are returned to the base occupied at the time of the pitch. The batter who should have batted is out for BOO.

In ASA: all the outs made on the IB’s time at bat stand. If the IB is on base she goes “poof” but she is not an out. She is erased. All other runners return to the base occupied at the time of the last pitch of IB’s turn at bat. Just like NHFS, the batter who should have batted is out for BOO.

Example: R1 on 1B, no out. B3 bats in B2s turn. B3 hits ground ball to F6 who plays to F4 who relays to F3 to complete the double play. Def coach requests time and appeals BOO.

NFHS Ruling: B3 and her out are erased. R1’s out stands. B2 is declared out for BOO. Two outs. B3 bats again.

ASA Ruling: All outs on the time at bat stand, any advance (none in this case) would be nullified. B2 is declared out for BOO. Three outs. B3 is the proper batter in the next inning.

Reading the Little League Softball rule on BOO (6.07) I come away with the interpretation that they mimic ASA although it is worded differently. 6.07(b)2 says nullify any advance or score, but nowhere does it say to nullify any outs. More learned LL colleagues, what say you?

Anyone with answers on other flavors? NCAA?