Fair or Foul?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Justme

12 years of HS

12 YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL?!?!?!

Damn, and I thought four years was more than enough

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

12 YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL?!?!?!

Damn, and I thought four years was more than enough

For some reason, the opening line to Paul Simon's "Kodachrome" keep running through my mind!

[Mountaineer]

If a player is touched by a batted ball while still in the batters box, I declare "foul ball". Does anyone call "dead ball"?

As for the original question, I always imagine a line drawn from the point of the back of the plate to where it intersects with the foul lines - anything behind that is foul.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

If a player is touched by a batted ball while still in the batters box, I declare "foul ball". Does anyone call "dead ball"?

Yes, I do. My first reaction is the automatic "dead ball" based on a batter-runner being touched by the batted ball. I then replay the instance in my mind, and then declare "foul ball" and point to the batters box, if appropriate; or declare the "out", if the batter is out of the box.

Either way, I declare the "dead ball" first. I find it gives me a bit more time to consider what it is I just saw, rather than have to react immediately.

[Mountaineer]

According to NFHS 2.25.1.f a batted ball that touches a batter while in the batter's box is a foul ball. In 5.1 this situation is not mentioned. I have a foul ball.

That having been said, a dead ball is a ball that is not in play according to definitions. IMHO the ball is dead BECAUSE it is foul - therefore I have a "foul ball".

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

According to NFHS 2.25.1.f a batted ball that touches a batter while in the batter's box is a foul ball. In 5.1 this situation is not mentioned. I have a foul ball.

That having been said, a dead ball is a ball that is not in play according to definitions. IMHO the ball is dead BECAUSE it is foul - therefore I have a "foul ball".

Steve's mechanic is correct and as described in the ASA Umpire Manual (Page 218 of the 2006 Rule Book).

The ball is NOT dead because it is foul. It is dead because it made contact with the BR. It is foul because the BR was still in the batter's box at the time of the contact with the ball.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Steve's mechanic is correct and as described in the ASA Umpire Manual (Page 218 of the 2006 Rule Book).

The ball is NOT dead because it is foul. It is dead because it made contact with the BR. It is foul because the BR was still in the batter's box at the time of the contact with the ball.

By ASA - if you say so. I would disagree according to NF or NCAA. I should remove ASA from my signature. Our ASA in WV isn't worth a crap and I didn't even register this year and probably won't ever do it again. There are other organizations (like Pony) fighting against ASA and I'm busy enough . . .

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

If a player is touched by a batted ball while still in the batters box, I declare "foul ball". Does anyone call "dead ball"?

But you might not have a foul ball. The ball hit the batter a 2nd time so yes, yes, you have a dead ball and should call it as such. But was the batter still in the batter's box or was she already out of it running to 1B?

I say "Dead ball... foul!" becuase that gives you another moment to think about what just happened. This is especially true if you are the BU, and you see the ball hit the bat, hit the gound, then touch the batter a 2nd time as she is leaving the box.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

If a player is touched by a batted ball while still in the batters box, I declare "foul ball". Does anyone call "dead ball"?
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Everytime. Then I make a ruling according to the position of the batter in relation to the box at the time she was hit a second time, either "foul" or "out."

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Everytime. Then I make a ruling according to the position of the batter in relation to the box at the time she was hit a second time, either "foul" or "out."

As I see several others do. I should have read on, first, I guess.