Count on Batter

[mccann]

Runner on 2nd. The count is 2balls one Strike. Umpire says Strike Three on the next pitch.The catcher throws the ball towards the pitchers plate and the runner adavances to third. The coach says that was only strike two. Should the runner be sent back to second

[SC Ump]

Originally Posted by mccann

Runner on 2nd. The count is 2balls one Strike. Umpire says Strike Three on the next pitch.The catcher throws the ball towards the pitchers plate and the runner adavances to third. The coach says that was only strike two. Should the runner be sent back to second

You did not say if there were two outs. If there were, and if the umpire put the defense at a disadvantage, I believe the runner should be sent back. I think there are many that would say the defense has the responsibility to know the count. I don't feel that would be true in this case.

If the erroneous third strike call had no effect on the runner's steal of third, I don't believe there is precidence to send the runner back.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by mccann

Umpire says Strike Three on the next pitch.

For this reason, and a few others, I only call balls and strikes, I don't call numbers.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

For this reason, and a few others, I only call balls and strikes, I don't call numbers.

But do you call "batter is out" on a caught third strike or and uncaught with no BR attempt allowed?

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

But do you call "batter is out" on a caught third strike or and uncaught with no BR attempt allowed?

Nope. I just call 'ball' or 'strike'. I probably do announce the count between pitches a little more than most of the partners I with which I work, so my catcher and batter, for the most part (not always), know the count on every pitch.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

But do you call "batter is out" on a caught third strike or and uncaught with no BR attempt allowed?

If the retired batter starts toward 1B? Absolutely

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If the retired batter starts toward 1B? Absolutely

I assume you would and I know I do. My point was whether even w/o saying "three", MNBlue would give any other indication and if mistaken might end up with the same problem as the OP.

[MNBlue]

Before I started announcing the count (basically just loud enough for the catcher/batter) as often as I do, I would have problems and would have to let the batter know that was 'three' or 'two' or 'ball four', etc. Now that I am sharing the count more often, I rarely have the problem.

My concern is in the heat of the play I mis-state the correct number of strikes and confuse a player. So I have chosen to announce numbers between pitches and call 'ball' or 'strike' only after the pitch has been thrown.

Just in case you were wondering, my concern about a mis-statement of fact is a result of doing exactly that. Some lessons are learned after making mistakes.