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An umpire is urged to seek help when his view is blocked or positioning prevents him from seeing crucial elements of a play. An umpire is also encouraged to seek help in instances when he has any doubt and a partner has additional information that could lead to the proper ruling. In the situations listed below, a partner who is 100% certain he has additional information unknown to the umpire making the call should approach unsolicited and alert the other umpire to such information. However, the ultimate decision to change a call rests with the calling umpire. 1) Deciding if a home run is fair or foul. 2) Deciding whether a batted ball left the playing field for a home run or ground rule double. 3) Cases where a foul tip is dropped or trapped by the catcher. 4) Cases where a foul fly ball is caught or not caught. 5) Cases when an umpire clearly errs in judgment because they did not see the ball dropped or juggled after making a tag or force. 6) Spectator interference plays. Umpires are not to seek help on plays which they are 100% confident in their judgment and view of the play. Head coaches are not entitled to a second opinion when the calling umpire is certain his decision is correct. On the other hand, and contrary to past practice, umpires are not to “die with a call” in cases where a) the calling umpire is not 100% certain he is right; and b) another umpire has additional information which could lead to a proper ruling. Judgment calls, which have traditionally not been subject to reversal include: steal and other tag plays (except if the ball is dropped without the umpire’s knowledge as discussed above); force plays (when the ball is not dropped and foot is not pulled); balls and strikes (other than check swings). This practice shall continue. Also, some calls cannot be reversed without creating larger problems. An example is a “catch/no catch” with multiple runners. Last edited by Justme; Tue May 16, 2006 at 10:24am. |
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When I make a call that I need help from my partner, I will go to them, away from the coaches and players, where we quietly and quickly talk about what I saw and what they saw, it is then up to me to either change or keep the call.
But your right coaches are asking on every close call now days. Dang this gentle kinder umpiring. Bugg |
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You betcha! I had a game last week where the 1B bleacher umpire called two balks in a 12U FP game! As plate umpire of course I overruled him. |
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I think that if this is the situation in your area, the umpires need some serious retraining, and you should address your question to the area UIC and/or scheduler. There should be no overruling of judgement calls at all. "Help" should be requested when there was truly additional information unavailable to the calling umpire, and even then, it is the calling umpire that should reverse the ruling, not the "overruling" umpire.
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The fact that I failed to change the wording when I 'cut & pasted' it from another document has nothing to do with intent of my post. I was using NCAA wording (allbeit baseball) to answer a question. You can also find basically the same verbage if you google for "NCAA softball umpire guidance." I was trying to provide a serious answer to the original post. What positive input were you trying to provide? It's obvious when the word 'balk' appeared it offended you and your "friend" AltUmpSteve. I guess some you guys are just super-sensitive souls huh? After 20+ years of baseball umpiring I was 'asked' to help out with HS softball. So maybe the title of "Softball Umpire" doesn't fit me as well as it does you but the title "Umpire" seems to fit me just right. Last edited by Justme; Tue May 16, 2006 at 09:46am. |
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Returning now, to the OP's question.
There should be no counsel from the other umpire on the field on issues strictly based on judgement. If I am in position to make the call, then there is no way that I am going to go to the other umpire who is much further away from the play than I am. You nailed it when you said "Close plays are close plays, and coaches (and umpires) have to learn to live with (them)."
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You start with a comment here that DOES bother me a lot - "The rules of softball are not that different from baseball." It bothers me because it gives the entirely wrong idea to those out there that think they know baseball rules, therefore they know softball rules. They ARE different in many significant ways. It does not bother me AT ALL that a primarily baseball umpire works softball games. (I work both about equally, by the way). What DOES bother me (and most umpires) is that a primarily baseball umpire works softball games with a host of misconceptions based on their baseball upbringing. You obviously feel that the differences in the rules are minimal, which leads me to the conclusion that you probably shouldn't be on the softball field. Quote:
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I'll end with an apology for the "idiot" comment once again. It was uncalled for, and an overreaction on my part. Sorry bout that. You can see you struck a nerve - my bad for letting it push me into namecalling. Now ... let's all go play dominos.
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Who are you trying to kid? BTW, you still haven't admitted that there was more wrong with your post that merely using the word "balk." Editing it out was nice, but ... it was not a mere "oversight" as you claim, since you originally defended it as just having the word wrong, saying anyone who could not figure this out was stupid. Many umpires here also work both sports, but there is an obligation to know the rules of both. If you continue to view softball as baseball with changes, you'll continue to have problems with understanding the game. JMO.
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