ASA - Batting out of Order

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David said:

I think I'm going out of my mind!

See, you are......By rule two outs.

[mcrowder]

This is really easy. It amazes me that anyone who actually works as an umpire and bothers to learn by coming here would have any question AT ALL about BOO. Even the nasty confusing ones are easy. I can understand newbies and coaches coming here with questions on BOO... but any umpire that cares should have this down by now.

[Ran.D]

Had this happen last night.

Now........when the team that BOO comes back in to bat, who steps in the batter's box?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Ran.D

Had this happen last night.

Now........when the team that BOO comes back in to bat, who steps in the batter's box?

The next batter due up. Who that is depends on what happened, when the improper batter was "caught", etc.

[rodan55]

If the incorrect batter is put out and tha batter who was skipped is declared out, not the third out of the inning, the next batter would be the one following the incorrect batter. If the incorrect batter is put out and the skipped batter is declared out for the third out, the batter following the skipped batter would leadoff the next inning, which could be the incorrect batter from the previous inning.

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

This is really easy. It amazes me that anyone who actually works as an umpire and bothers to learn by coming here would have any question AT ALL about BOO. Even the nasty confusing ones are easy. I can understand newbies and coaches coming here with questions on BOO... but any umpire that cares should have this down by now.

I had this discussion with a friend of mine who probably calls more softball games in one season than I have in a lifetime.

I calls both FED and ASA.

I was always confident that *I* understood the rather radical differences between FED and ASA as far as batting-out-of-order is concerned.

Yet, my friend was absolutely adamant that they were the same.

I started doubting myself, differing to his experience. That's what prompted my question.

Thanks!

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[IRISHMAFIA]

"Radical" differences???

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

"Radical" differences???

If it is the difference between 2 out and 3 in the bottom of the 7th, it can be pretty radical!

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

"Radical" differences???

Wouldn't you say the difference in the penalties between ASA and FED for batting our-of-order is "radical?"

R1 on 1st. Improper batter ground into a double play.

The defense makes a BOO claim. How many outs in FED? How many outs in ASA? That's radical if you ask me.

Along those lines ...

Unreported substitutes.

In FED, you get a warning. If you do it again, the player is removed from the game. Never any outs.

In ASA, there can be OUTS. No warnings. Outs! Outs! Outs!

Big difference if you ask me.

I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm just saying that, in certain areas, there are RADICAL differences.

If you don't think the difference between a "warning" and an "out" for the same infraction is "radical", then you've obviously never coached a team.

I can assure you, a coach would consider the difference quite "radical."

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[bkbjones]

In my very humble opinion, the difference between an umpire who does both and a good umpire who does both is that the good umpire understands the intent of the rule and the intent of the governing body.

As has been stated by several on here before, NFHS is less punitive. These differences are there for a reason. Some of us, as umpires, may not like it, but the game is not about us: it is about players, and in NFHS a participatory extracurricular activity that is an extension of school.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

In FED, you get a warning. If you do it again, the player is removed from the game. Never any outs.

In ASA, there can be OUTS. No warnings. Outs! Outs! Outs!

Which is why I prefer ASA!

But, back to the BOO, from an umpire's perspective, the difference is not a big deal - does an out made on the improper batter stand?

ASA - yes.
NFHS - no.

Not a biggie to remember or enforce.

First of all, there will not always BE an out made on the improper batter. And, secondly, the rest of the rule is identical in effect.

So, while the result of the rule difference may have a significant impact on the game (or it may not), the differences between the rules are not radical - just one item to remember.