ASA - Batting out of Order

[rodan55]

2 Outs. Rule 7.2.D.2 and effect. If appealed before the next pitch, the batter who should have batted would be called out and any out(s) incurred during the incorrect batter's at bat will stand. All advancement of runners and runs will be nullified.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rodan55

2 Outs. Rule 7.2.D.2 and effect. If appealed before the next pitch, the batter who should have batted would be called out and any out(s) incurred during the incorrect batter's at bat will stand. All advancement of runners and runs will be nullified.

Yep, just forty more to go!

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yep, just forty more to go!

37. Why do you always let the visitors win? ?!

[rodan55]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

37. Why do you always let the visitors win? ?!

Looking for a short run rule game.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by rodan55

2 Outs. Rule 7.2.D.2 and effect. If appealed before the next pitch, the batter who should have batted would be called out and any out(s) incurred during the incorrect batter's at bat will stand. All advancement of runners and runs will be nullified.

Changing the subject a little, the NFHS only takes one out in this situation. 7-1-1, Penalty 2 (Casebook 7.1.2 Situation H): ... The umpire shall declare the batter who should have batted out (not the improper batter). The improper batter's time at bat is negated and she is returned to the dugout.

I didn't want any of us 'Fed' umpires to rule incorrectly on this.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

Changing the subject a little, the NFHS only takes one out in this situation. 7-1-1, Penalty 2 (Casebook 7.1.2 Situation H): ... The umpire shall declare the batter who should have batted out (not the improper batter). The improper batter's time at bat is negated and she is returned to the dugout.

I didn't want any of us 'Fed' umpires to rule incorrectly on this.

MN,
That is correct. Fed is far more lenient, in this case than ASA.
In ASA, I can get 3 outs on 2 pitches. I can't do that in Fed.
That's OK - Fed is far stricter in some other areas.

[greymule]

It amazes me that anyone who actually works as an umpire and bothers to learn by coming here would have any question AT ALL about BOO.

Don't be too hard on them, mcrowder. Remember that BOO is treated differently in ASA, Fed, and NCAA. Also, the three codes differ in what advances are permitted by runners during the improper batter's at bat. ASA, for example, nullifies any advance made on the last pitch to the improper batter. NCAA nullifies only advances that result from a ball batted by the improper batter, or from the improper batter's advance to 1B.

[IRISHMAFIA]

[QUOTE=Steve M]MN,
That is correct. Fed is far more lenient, in this case than ASA.
In ASA, I can get 3 outs on 2 pitches. I can't do that in Fed.
[QUOTE]

Been there done that. The first week of the season the rule was in place I had that exact situation.

1st Pitch - B1 singles to right.
2nd Pitch - B4 hits into double play
Before the 3rd Pitch - Defense protest B2 failing to bat.

I have absolutely no problem with keeping the outs. It is not like the umpire manufactured them, the offense did. I do not understand why the Fed is letting the team who screwed up off the hook. Too much "little ball" mentality still hanging around, me thinkith!

Oh, that's right, it's the Fed.

[CecilOne]

If you can't recognize that one group of rulemakers can have a different philosophy or see the learning process differently than a primarily competition organization; there is no need to bring up another game in a derogatory manner.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

...there is no need to bring up another game in a derogatory manner.

Why not?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Steve M

In ASA, I can get 3 outs on 2 pitches.

Actually, in ASA you can get 3 outs on 1 pitch!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Actually, in ASA you can get 3 outs on 1 pitch!

Not without it being one pitch and a play.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Not without it being one pitch and a play.

Steve M's was a play, too (or otherwise the improper batter would not be out). Or am I missing what you are saying?

First pitch of the inning. 3 outs.

[rodan55]

B1 is suppose to bat. B2 bats and grounds out, appeal on BOO, next batter steps in box with doctored, non-approved or altered bat; short-handed player due up; switching batter boxes infront of the catcher while the pitcher is in the pitching position. 3 outs 1 pitch. Depending on order, 3 outs no pitch.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by rodan55

B1 is suppose to bat. B2 bats and grounds out, appeal on BOO, next batter steps in box with doctored, non-approved or altered bat; short-handed player due up; switching batter boxes infront of the catcher while the pitcher is in the pitching position. 3 outs 1 pitch. Depending on order, 3 outs no pitch.

What I'm thinking of is exactly one batter, no equipment violations, team is not playing shorthanded.