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Mon Mar 20, 2006, 12:32am
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NFHS rules.
R1 at 3B, B3 squares to bunt, does not, in bringing bat back accidentally tangles with F2, causing her to throw past F1. R1 scores. Do you call B3 out for interference? Do you call time and send R1 back to 3B? Do you allow the play to stand? WMB 
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Mon Mar 20, 2006, 08:05am
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Mon Mar 20, 2006, 10:40am
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Well, I definitely don't have interference judging from the info given here. It is slightly possible that I would have nothing, let play stand, depending on the timing of the events. Picturing it in my mind, though, I've probably got a dead ball, and return the runner to third.
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Mon Mar 20, 2006, 10:48am
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Forget the timing, or my description, or Mike's sssllloooow batter and focus on this fact:
Batter unintentionally interferred with the catcher's return throw to the pitcher, resulting in a bad throw and a runner advancing. WMB
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Mon Mar 20, 2006, 11:03am
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ASA has an exception to 7-6.P when no play is being made and interference is accidental. Dead ball, no play.
I see no such exception to NFHS 8-3-5. Wish there was, and hope I'm missing it, but, interference is the call; batter is out, and runner returns to third. If no one advanced, I might consider a "no call", but cannot allow offense to benefit, even if it was unintentional.
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Mon Mar 20, 2006, 11:51am
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WMB,
It seems to be one of those HTBT plays. I believe, based on the description I have a no-call, live ball. I'm assuming the batter is still in the batters box so you must judge the interference to be intentional in order to get the INT call here. "in bringing bat back accidentally tangles with F2" Is it possible that we have obstruction on the catcher?
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Mon Mar 20, 2006, 11:51am
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Really good question, WMB.
NFHS 7-3-5 has this little phrase in it... "...any other movement which hinders action at home or the catcher's attempt to play on a runner..." Neither of those situations were going on here; there was no play at home; the catcher was not attempting a play on a runner. I might consider this to be a situation not covered by the rules and, using 10-2-3-g, apply the ASA exception (dead ball, runner returns).
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Mon Mar 20, 2006, 11:54am
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Youre right Steve; there is no exception in NFHS as there is in ASA. I posted this to bring the issue to the attention of NFHS umpires.
Apparently Mary Struckhoff has issued an interpretation that will surprise you: let the play stand! Normally I teach H.S. umpires that if there is no specific instruction in the NFHS book (i.e., deflected ball, or double 1B a few years ago) to use an ASA interpretation. So I would have said Dead ball, return runner, no penalty on batter. In this case I am assuming that Struckhoff made this interpretation because there is no NFHS rule to call otherwise, so you have to let the play stand. Though we certainly could invoke umpire powers under 10-2.3g. Hopefully we will have a book revision next year. WMB Obviously we see it the same way, Dakota, but . . . . . .(see above)! [Edited by WestMichBlue on Mar 20th, 2006 at 11:57 AM]
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Wed Mar 22, 2006, 04:48am
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In a different play, if a batter is getting set at the plate and were to hit the catcher glove or kick up dirt on a back swing, I would call time and allow everyone to re-set.
In the play mentioned in this thread, I hope I would be alert enough to do the same, before the runner scored. If the play is as I understand it, I hope the interpretation will be reconsidered. I think the situation that occurred is outside the spirit of the game. If it stands, every batter should begin to "accidentally" swing at the ball as it is being thrown back from the catcher to the pitcher.
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Wed Mar 22, 2006, 11:25am
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2005 NFHS case play 7.3.5 Situation A:
..."B2(batter) is entitled to her position in the batter's box and is not subject to interference unless she moves or re-establishes her position after F2 has received the pitch, which then prevents F2 from attempting to play on a runner. Failing to move so the catcher can make a throw is not batter interference." This is in reference to a play where either the batter does or does not swing, and either makes no attempt to get out of the way of the catcher throwing, or is unable to make an attempt to get out of the way. I don't believe interference should be the call on the originally posted play.
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Wed Mar 22, 2006, 02:30pm
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We don't have a play; we don't have intent; interference is not an issue. I like the ASA route that we simply reset things after the play has ended. I don't like the NFHS interpt; it seems like we are rewarding the offense for a batter's mistake.
If it was the catcher's mistake; if she tangled with the batter and made a bad throw - too bad. Live ball, play on. But our play has a catcher doing what she normally would do, but her throw goes awry because of the batter's accidental action. WMB
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Wed Mar 22, 2006, 02:55pm
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What if there was a play?
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7-6-P involved stepping out of the batter's box. That didn't happen. 7-6-Q requires intent while the batter is standing in the box and in the play I described above, assume there was no intent. 7-6-R requires intent when interfering with a thrown ball, in or out of the batter's box. 7-6-S requires interfering with a play at home plate.
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