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Book says its a "strike" not a foul. So arguement in class last night was in FP batter would be out (if already had 2 strikes) Is this proper interpretation ?
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Thu Mar 17, 2005, 07:50am
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BTW, true in all games, not just FP.
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Is this play subject to the rules for an uncaught third strike? Thanks. mick
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Thu Mar 17, 2005, 08:03am
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Thu Mar 17, 2005, 08:18am
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That works. Is that the same application for a grounded pitch that hits the batter, as the batter swings and misses?--> Dead ball, strike three? mick
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Thu Mar 17, 2005, 08:23am
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If the pitch catches some hand & some bat, disregard the bat & still use the rule as stated in 8-1-F-2 ?
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Thu Mar 17, 2005, 09:04am
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Remember this is on a swing. If the ball hits the hands outside of the strike zone, and the batter is not swinging, you have a HBP (as long as an attempt to not be hit was made). The hitting of the hands is probably easier to hear than actually see, but is fairly easy to judge. I had a TB coach/scorekeeper last year (certified ASA umpire....her words) yell at my wife who was PU, NO NO NO, if she is swinging and the ball hits her BELOW the elbow it is a strike, anywhere ABOVE the elbow it is a HBP (swinging or not)! I sent her back to the dugout.
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Thu Mar 17, 2005, 09:43am
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Anyway, if it hit the bat first, it is a foul ball (1-FOUL BALL-F for ASA). If it hit the hand first, it is a dead ball strike. (rule already cited).
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Thu Mar 17, 2005, 09:53am
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I think what we mostly experience is the "some bat/some hand" (simultaneous) can't really tell which came first. So most of us have been calling it a FOUL. Then in class we started the debate. However it is good to know & note that if its hands first, or only hands..then its a dead ball STRIKE.
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Thu Mar 17, 2005, 10:40am
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discussion like this is what makes
this forum so useful !!! like the "slap or bunt" the other week-- I end up visualizing stuff in my head when I have trouble sleeping at night !! Now I'll be "seeing" balls hitting hands on a swing----- "dead ball strike" !! Keep up the good work guys, and I hope the rookies read this stuff.
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As a 2nd year umpire, I want to make sure I have this right. Maybe I'm confused or misinterpreted some of this discussion but I thought the rule states that if the batter is hit on the hands while swinging at a pitch and hits the ball fair or foul, the ball is dead and a strike called. If 3rd strike, the batter is out. So, when do you consider the hands part of the bat?
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Fri Mar 18, 2005, 10:37am
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OK, with that, then, change the situation. The ball hits the batter's foot. (Just another part of the batter - just like the hands). If the batter swings at a pitch, missses, and the ball hits her in the foot, what do you call? 1) DEAD BALL (batter hit by pitch) 2) STRIKE (swing and a miss) If the batter swings at a pitch, hits the ball, and the ball hits her in the foot (while still in the batter's box), what do you call? FOUL BALL. Exactly the same for the hands.
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Fri Mar 18, 2005, 10:37am
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Never. And we all wonder where that notion came from ??
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