2005 Exam is on the web

[bkbjones]

The revised 2005 test is on the ASA web site (http://www.softball.org) on the Umpires page. It is a PDF.

Enjoy!

[Dakota]

I see the PC police have totally occupied ASA HQ.

"They" is not a gender-neutral singular pronoun!!!!

There. I feel better.

[greymule]

You mean there are two of us, Dakota?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by Dakota
I see the PC police have totally occupied ASA HQ.

"They" is not a gender-neutral singular pronoun!!!!

There. I feel better.

Seems Merriam-Webster recognizes this, but demonstrates no problem with the usage as such.

2 : PEOPLE 2 -- used in a generic sense
usage They used as an indefinite subject (sense 2) is sometimes objected to on the grounds that it does not have an antecedent. Not every pronoun requires an antecedent, however. The indefinite they is used in all varieties of contexts and is standard.
usage They, their, them, themselves: English lacks a common-gender third person singular pronoun that can be used to refer to indefinite pronouns (as everyone, anyone, someone). Writers and speakers have supplied this lack by using the plural pronouns . The plural pronouns have also been put to use as pronouns of indefinite number to refer to singular nouns that stand for many persons <'tis meet that some more audience than a mother, since nature makes them partial, should o'erhear the speech -- Shakespeare> . The use of they, their, them, and themselves as pronouns of indefinite gender and indefinite number is well established in speech and writing, even in literary and formal contexts. This gives you the option of using the plural pronouns where you think they sound best, and of using the singular pronouns (as he, she, he or she, and their inflected forms) where you think they sound best.

[greymule]

Merriam-Webster is a well-known Communist front.

Oh, well. To each their own.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by greymule
Merriam-Webster is a well-known Communist front.

Oh, well. To each their own.

And there are college students that don't understand what a "Communist" was to people our age.

[greymule]

According to a college history professor I know, there are college students who don't know there was a World War II.

[Dakota]

Shakespeare had poetic license. Last time I checked, ASA did not have a resident poet on staff.

"They" aren't using "they" because it sounds better - it sounds awful. "They" are using "they" because "they" live in fear of such professional busy-bodies as Martha Burk.

The only place the pronouns "he" or "she" is in the entire exam is in the intro, talking about umpires. And that is the combination "he/she".

Try and tell me this sounds better

42SP. The pitcher starts with their right foot in contact with the pitching plate, their left foot is considerably outside the pitching plate prior to the start of the pitch. As they deliver the pitch and steps their left foot is still outside the pitching plate. This is a legal pitch.

than this

42SP. The pitcher starts with her right foot in contact with the pitching plate, her left foot is considerably outside the pitching plate prior to the start of the pitch. As she delivers the pitch and steps her left foot is still outside the pitching plate. This is a legal pitch.

Note also the construction "they deliver" as opposed to "delivers" - plural construction. Awful corruption of the language.

If "they" want to be PC, why not alternate the use of "he" and "she"?

As you can tell - one of my pet peeves. And a losing battle. Oh, well.

[Antonella]

Please consider also that no-mothertongue people (like me) would be confused a little more by this.

I know it's ASA test, but I usually read questions on this forum and discuss them with my collegues here, in Italy.
Sometimes I make paste/copy and pass it to them who knows little english...
Till now I was quiet confused ONLY by typical USA acronyms-mania, but I have to add also Politically Correctness Mania!!

Greetings and thousands of thanks to ALL OF YOU from Italy

Antonella

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by Dakota
Shakespeare had poetic license. Last time I checked, ASA did not have a resident poet on staff.

"They" aren't using "they" because it sounds better - it sounds awful. "They" are using "they" because "they" live in fear of such professional busy-bodies as Martha Burk.

The only place the pronouns "he" or "she" is in the entire exam is in the intro, talking about umpires. And that is the combination "he/she".

Try and tell me this sounds better

than this

Note also the construction "they deliver" as opposed to "delivers" - plural construction. Awful corruption of the language.

If "they" want to be PC, why not alternate the use of "he" and "she"?

As you can tell - one of my pet peeves. And a losing battle. Oh, well.

Actually, who really gives a damn? Are the points communicated to the intended persons?

Do all of you people walk down the street correcting people's grammar?

ASL would drive you all crazy!

[greymule]

Awful corruption of the language.

Right on, bro.

I often deliberately use standard English purely to upset p.c. types, who unfortunately happen to proliferate in this area (Princeton, NJ).

[greymule]

Do all of you people walk down the street correcting people's grammar?

When walking down the street, no, but all day at a desk, yes. A lot of people give a damn and are willing to pay to ensure that the writing they submit (an academic thesis, a report to government, a business proposal) is correct in grammar and usage.

Unfortunately, I can't simply turn the machine off in everyday life. Every error I hear registers on my consciousness. But I stopped gratuitously giving advice after suffering a stab wound from a fork after correcting my mother-in-law (memento, not momento).

[Dakota]

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Actually, who really gives a damn?

I do.

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Are the points communicated to the intended persons?

Maybe. I find it very annoying and grating. And, hence, distracting. Like listening to a lecturer screech as he writes on a blackboard. Like listening to a teenager use "like" to be "pause" and "went" to mean "said." Like listening to a live concert with constant feedback through the sound system.

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Do all of you people walk down the street correcting people's grammar?

Only my daughters'.

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
ASL would drive you all crazy!

If you mean American Sign Language, that is not English. Different language.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by Dakota

ASL would drive you all crazy!

If you mean American Sign Language, that is not English. Different language. [/QUOTE]

Actually, it is an American English-based derivitive.

Does that sound right? I'm sure you will let me know

[MA Softball Ump]

Originally posted by Dakota

How about this:

The pitcher starts with the right foot in contact with the pitching plate, the left foot is considerably outside the pitching plate prior to the start of the pitch. As the pitch is delivered, the left foot must remain outside the pitching plate. This is a legal pitch.

Is this more clear and gets rid of any PC stuff??