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If a batted ball strikes the plate and proceeds into fair terrority, is it considered fair ball?
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Mon Jul 12, 2004, 02:15pm
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Mon Jul 12, 2004, 02:20pm
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Well, actually Mike, I know the proper ruling but am illustrating a specific question for the benefit of new readers here to the Forum.
I have had it added to the Michigan High School Athletic Association's web link references for Officials.
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Mon Jul 12, 2004, 03:33pm
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OK then, why would someone else think its not?
Really, have any of you had someone with an explanation as to why they might feel home plate is foul? When you look at the field, lines, bases etc., how can you even think the plate is not fair? It should be so obvious that a rule that reads "Home plate is fair" might seem silly. Then again, hands are not considered part of the bat was added!
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Working a 16U game this weekend, and heard a dad in the stands yelling vehemently that the batted ball hit the plate before it went into fair territory, and that it should be a foul ball. He continued to yell as we all got ready for the next batter. The players knew, the coaches knew, seems as though he was the only one who was hell bent on demonstrating his ignorance.
Some myths just keep propogating, for whatever reason.
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Mon Jul 12, 2004, 08:57pm
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Mon Jul 12, 2004, 11:35pm
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Tue Jul 13, 2004, 03:49am
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At a tourny this weekend, a bunted ball came to rest on the plate, and the ump called it a fould ball as the catcher picked it up and gunned the runner at 3rd by 3-4 steps and they would have had the very slow batter runner at first. That's where the myths get their life from. If the defense hadn't made such a great play no one would remember it, but now any ball on the plate will be foul because of everybody's memory of the double play a bad call erased.
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Tue Jul 13, 2004, 03:55pm
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"heard a dad in the stands yelling vehemently"
I think we could all append two dozen idiotic statements to that introduction. My latest one was this weekend in a Pony qualifier final. Runner coming home when the catcher gloves the ball a yard up the 3B line and waits to make the tag. Runner takes two more steps, remains on her feet, and crashes into the catcher. Both girls tumble to the ground. Naturally, I called interference and sent the other runner back to 2B. (No ejection, though. It was not a dirty play.) At that point, I heard a dad in the stands yelling vehemently, "The catcher was in the baseline! She can't block the runner from getting to the plate! That's interference on the catcher! Etc. Etc. Etc." Sometimes I wonder what goes through the "minds" of these people when they witness no objection from the coaches or the players and the game continues. (I know of no code except OBR under which the crash I described is legal.)
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Tue Jul 13, 2004, 04:21pm
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Another myth.
Was watching (scouting the players in my role as District Director, and also watching the umpires as UIC elsewhere) a state tourney for 10U. Two girls briefly were on 2nd simultaneously - the 2nd girl immediately returned to 1st. No play was made on anyone, as there was a girl on 3rd. Fans go ballistic. "You can't have two girls on base at the same time!" They go on for a good 5 minutes. My next proper move... go sit elsewhere. My actual move, wanting too much to help, was to quietly mention that it was not against the rules to have two girls on the same base. They start in on me, starting with "Who the he77 are you," and continuing into, "No wonder the umps don't know the rules if this dumb@$$ is in charge". My next proper move... go sit elsewhere. My actual move - pull out the book and show them the rule. They read the part where it says that two players cannot occupy the same base, and refuse to read further. I ask them to tell me what the penalty is in the book, and get my book thrown 20 feet with them saying, "I don't need to read any more - it says right there they can't be on the same base." My next proper move... go sit elsewhere. Thankfully, my actual move ... go sit elsewhere. 20 minutes later, as the game is winding down, one of the fans came over and apologized for his idiot friends and thanked me for trying to educate them.
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