hesitation rule -

[parrothead]

Coaching a tourney this weekend and had a Hesitation Rule call that I had not really heard before. Honestly, havent seen a lot of hesitation calls since 10U when girls with runner at 3B would round the bag stop and get called.

Anyhow, this weekend in 18U PGF game runner at 3B, ball 4 to batter which we called after ball 3 what we wanted defense to do if by some chance runner broke - runner slows down, then stops for a brief second then continues on to 2B - ball in circle, P did not engage the runner.

Umpire acknowledged our call for Hesitation, but said "thats her 1 allowed stop". He then noted to his partner "she stopped, her 1 allowed stop". Had not heard that interpretation before.

As I walked back I asked home plate ump if that was his interpretation as he is a really good ump and wanted to hear where I was amiss from my longtime understanding of the rule, he didnt really respond because I guess I did not go through proper channels but my thought was that if your partner quotes a rule that is not correct saying "I have her 1 allowed stop" that I shouldnt have to ask for help if you know he is wrong, confer and get it right. After the game he said he did not see rule the way partner ruled on the field.

So two part question:
* Little help on rule - does runner get 1 "stop"
* Expectations if you disagree with partners rule interpretation that he says outloud? Is that something you need HC to ask for help with or when he verbalizes it to the field, is it assumed at that point if you disagree you should discuss?

[kennyc1]

It's the Look Back Rule, not hesitation. To paraphrase, the rule says when the pitcher has the ball in the circle and is not attempting a play on any runner. All runners on base, must stay on base. Any runner off base must immediately return to prior base or proceed to next base. They are allowed to stop once, but must immediately go to one base or the other.

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[jmkupka]

When a batter receives a base on balls, and the ball is in the circle, any other baserunners may be off their respective bases until the walked batter touches 1B, at which time they must return non-stop to their base, or proceed non-stop to the next base.

If a baserunner is already standing on her base when the walked batter touches 1B, that baserunner may not leave the base.

The walked batter may round 1B and proceed any distance toward 2B. She is entitled to her 1 stop between the bases, after which she must return non-stop to 1B or proceed non-stop to 2B.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

When a batter receives a base on balls, and the ball is in the circle, any other baserunners may be off their respective bases until the walked batter touches 1B, at which time they must return non-stop to their base, or proceed non-stop to the next base.

If a baserunner is already standing on her base when the walked batter touches 1B, that baserunner may not leave the base.

The walked batter may round 1B and proceed any distance toward 2B. She is entitled to her 1 stop between the bases, after which she must return non-stop to 1B or proceed non-stop to 2B.

Hitting 3 nails on the head all at once.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

When a batter receives a base on balls, and the ball is in the circle, any other baserunners may be off their respective bases until the walked batter touches 1B, at which time they must return non-stop to their base, or proceed non-stop to the next base.

If a baserunner is already standing on her base when the walked batter touches 1B, that baserunner may not leave the base.

The walked batter may round 1B and proceed any distance toward 2B. She is entitled to her 1 stop between the bases, after which she must return non-stop to 1B or proceed non-stop to 2B.

All of this is true with ONE and only one caveat -- In PGF, playing under NFHS rules, the following (rare) rule comes into play: NFHS 8-7-4:

Responsibilities of a batter-runner after completing a turn at bat, and while the pitcher has the ball within the 16-foot pitching circle, including a base on balls or a dropped third strike are as follows:

a) A batter-runner who rounds first base toward second base may stop, but must then immediately, without stopping, return to first or attempt to advance to second base.
b) A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and immediately stops, must then return non-stop to first or attempt to advance to second base.
c) A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and moves directly toward second base and stops is committed to second and must attempt to advance non-stop to second base.
d) A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and moves back toward the infield in any direction except directly toward second base is committed to first and must return to first base.
e) A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, and turns right, is committed to first base and must return to first base.

PENALTY: The ball is dead. "No Pitch" is declared when applicable, and the runner is out. (continues with LBR rule)

I post this, because this is the ONLY TIME, in any code to my knowledge, where it actually matters what direction the BR turns after passing 1B. The ball has to be in the circle, and following that the BR has to over-run 1B.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by teebob21

All of this is true with ONE and only one caveat -- In PGF, playing under NFHS rules, the following (rare) rule comes into play: NFHS 8-7-4:

Responsibilities of a batter-runner after completing a turn at bat, and while the pitcher has the ball within the 16-foot pitching circle, including a base on balls or a dropped third strike are as follows:

a) A batter-runner who rounds first base toward second base may stop, but must then immediately, without stopping, return to first or attempt to advance to second base.
b) A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and immediately stops, must then return non-stop to first or attempt to advance to second base.
c) A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and moves directly toward second base and stops is committed to second and must attempt to advance non-stop to second base.
d) A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and moves back toward the infield in any direction except directly toward second based is committed to first and must return to second base.
e) A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, and turns right, is committed to first base and must return to first base.

PENALTY: The ball is dead. "No Pitch" is declared when applicable, and the runner is out. (continues with LBR rule)

I post this, because this is the ONLY TIME, in any code to my knowledge, where it actually matters what direction the BR turns after passing 1B. The ball has to be in the circle, and following that the BR has to over-run 1B.

Hey TB, I don't know if you copy/pasted the above or you typed it in.

Can you confirm the wording I colored in RED above?

Thanx.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Hey TB, I don't know if you copy/pasted the above or you typed it in.

Can you confirm the wording I colored in RED above?

Thanx.

It would be "first".

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Hey TB, I don't know if you copy/pasted the above or you typed it in.

Can you confirm the wording I colored in RED above?

Thanx.

I typed it. I typo'd it.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by parrothead

* Expectations if you disagree with partners rule interpretation that he says outloud? Is that something you need HC to ask for help with or when he verbalizes it to the field, is it assumed at that point if you disagree you should discuss?

We never initiate a change of a call if not the responsible umpire.

We will provide info if the responsible umpire asks; regardless of their own initiative or a coach asking the responsible umpire.

We would never do this.
"After the game he said he did not see rule the way partner ruled on the field."