Humorous what's the count exchange

[bigdogtx]

I guess since he called a ball on first strike, the “official” book would have to have listed it that way. ? Even though the next pitch was thrown, couldn’t the official book be considered??

Shouldn’t the first base umpire have checked swing responsibility as well and have corrected the count at the umpire conference?

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Disagree. It was not a missed call or erroneous judgment call. Everyone in the place had the correct count prior to the second pitch except the PU. And how can anyone question an error if it was not apparent until after the following pitch? After all, the scoreboard had the strike and even the talking heads had it right.

The only thing needing a correction was the PU's indicator.

The problem was that the strike WAS NOT CALLED on the first pitch. Therefore everyone in the park except the plate umpire was WRONG by having a 1 strike count. Since a strike was NEVER CALLED on the swing and miss it isn't a strike.

What part of this are you not understanding about this. If it is not called a strike it can't be a strike.

Yes, the PU screwed up by not calling it a strike, but it was never called a strike, so it can't be a strike, therefore when the first pitch was delivered the correct count was 1-0, even though everyone in the park, except the person who has to have the count right thought it should have been 0-1.

I completely understand that it should have been 0-1, but the RULE doesn't allow them to simply go back and say it was a swing and miss on the first pitch, so now it should be 0-2. The proper procedure was followed after the second pitch even if it did screw the defensive team.

You CAN NOT go back and change the call on the first pitch after the second pitch. This was what the Texas coach was arguing and why the count had to be 1-1. That is also why the U2 can be seen telling the Houston coach "That's the rule."

They got everything correct after missing the swing and miss on the first pitch. You guys may not agree, but the rule book is pretty clear about that.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by bigdogtx

I guess since he called a ball on first strike, the “official” book would have to have listed it that way. ? Even though the next pitch was thrown, couldn’t the official book be considered??

Shouldn’t the first base umpire have checked swing responsibility as well and have corrected the count at the umpire conference?

They can't after the second pitch was thrown. The umpire conference happened after the second pitch was thrown. You can't change the call after the second pitch was thrown.

The official box score does list the first two pitches as BK, ball-strike.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

I repeat: There was no perceived need by anyone in the park to appeal so why would there be one?

Sometimes you have to fix things.

There are rules about fixing things and when this error (not calling the strike on the swing and miss) was discovered, it was after the second pitch was delivered therefore it could not be corrected.

If everyone in the ball park thought a runner was out, but the umpire called them safe are you going to change the call after a pitch was delivered to the next batter?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

If it is not called a strike it can't be a strike.

I completely understand that it should have been 0-1, but the RULE doesn't allow them to simply go back and say it was a swing and miss on the first pitch, so now it should be 0-2. The proper procedure was followed after the second pitch even if it did screw the defensive team.

You CAN NOT go back and change the call on the first pitch after the second pitch. This was what the Texas coach was arguing and why the count had to be 1-1. That is also why the U2 can be seen telling the Houston coach "That's the rule."

They got everything correct after missing the swing and miss on the first pitch. You guys may not agree, but the rule book is pretty clear about that.

Please cite the rules you are referencing.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Please cite the rules you are referencing.

NCAA 15.9.3: The umpires may rectify any situation in which the reversal of an umpire’s decision or a delayed call by an umpire on a live ball places a batter, batter-runner, a base runner or the defensive team in jeopardy or prevents her/them from making the appropriate play. This correction is not possible after one legal or illegal pitch has been thrown or after the pitcher and all infielders have clearly vacated their normal fielding positions and have left fair territory.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by teebob21

NCAA 15.9.3: The umpires may rectify any situation in which the reversal of an umpire’s decision or a delayed call by an umpire on a live ball places a batter, batter-runner, a base runner or the defensive team in jeopardy or prevents her/them from making the appropriate play. This correction is not possible after one legal or illegal pitch has been thrown or after the pitcher and all infielders have clearly vacated their normal fielding positions and have left fair territory.

While this doesn't directly address a "swing v. no swing" situation, there is a "can fix the count" in the ruling and "window of opportunity" is the batter to complete the at-bat. (emphasis in mine):

A.R. 15-11. The batter has a 3-1 count and although the next pitch is called a ball, no one acknowledges the base on balls. The next pitch is a foul ball.
(1) Before the seventh pitch, the offensive coach asks the plate umpire for the count and it is confirmed to be 4-2. Can the umpire correct the count
and award the batter first base even though a pitch has been thrown after
the mistake?
(2) Following the foul ball, the seventh pitch is a called a strike for strike
three. The offensive coach immediately requests the plate umpire award
the batter the base on balls she had previously earned, thus negating the
strike out.
(3) On the next pitch, the batter hits an out-of-the-park home run and the
defensive coach immediately requests the plate umpire award the batter
the base on balls she had previously earned, thus negating the home run?

RULING: (1) Yes, as long as the batter has not completed her turn at
bat, the umpire may correct the count. In this case, the batter would
be awarded first base because the rules say when a batter receives a
fourth ball, she is awarded first base without liability to be put out.
Similarly, if a batter leaves the batter’s box headed for the dugout
thinking she struck out (but has not) or heads to first base thinking
she walked (but has not), the umpire shall direct her back to the
batter’s box to complete her turn at-bat. In both (2) and (3), the
window of opportunity to correct the count no longer exists because
the batter completed her turn at-bat. The result of the play remains
the action from the last delivered pitch - strikeout in the first case and
home run in the second. Note: Rules 15.2.15 and 15.9.3 do not apply
as this is not a case of a delayed call or a reversed decision putting a
player in undue jeopardy.
(Rule 15.3.5)

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by teebob21

NCAA 15.9.3: The umpires may rectify any situation in which the reversal of an umpire’s decision or a delayed call by an umpire on a live ball places a batter, batter-runner, a base runner or the defensive team in jeopardy or prevents her/them from making the appropriate play. This correction is not possible after one legal or illegal pitch has been thrown or after the pitcher and all infielders have clearly vacated their normal fielding positions and have left fair territory.

What about "If it is not called a strike it can't be a strike. "?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

The problem was that the strike WAS NOT CALLED on the first pitch. Therefore everyone in the park except the plate umpire was WRONG by having a 1 strike count. Since a strike was NEVER CALLED on the swing and miss it isn't a strike.

Then how did the BU's have a strike?

What part of this are you not understanding about this. If it is not called a strike it can't be a strike.

Yes, the PU screwed up by not calling it a strike, but it was never called a strike, so it can't be a strike, therefore when the first pitch was delivered the correct count was 1-0, even though everyone in the park, except the person who has to have the count right thought it should have been 0-1.

I completely understand that it should have been 0-1, but the RULE doesn't allow them to simply go back and say it was a swing and miss on the first pitch, so now it should be 0-2. The proper procedure was followed after the second pitch even if it did screw the defensive team.

You CAN NOT go back and change the call on the first pitch after the second pitch. This was what the Texas coach was arguing and why the count had to be 1-1. That is also why the U2 can be seen telling the Houston coach "That's the rule."

They got everything correct after missing the swing and miss on the first pitch. You guys may not agree, but the rule book is pretty clear about that.

Bet you think that once a ball is called foul, it cannot be ruled fair too.