illegal pitch, but why...?

[Little Jimmy]

Another weekend of travel/club ball where I was "the only umpire all year long" to call bringing the hands together too soon as an illegal pitch. And the coaches statements of me being the "only" one to do it is probably close to being true. At least around here, there are too many umps that don't know or ignore this. It's "easier". But...

Why is it illegal to bring the hands together as the pitcher is stepping on to the pitching plate? I know, I know, it's in the book. But if the rule was re-written to allow for taking or simulating taking the signal with the hand separate or together, what would be the negative end result be? Many of the pitchers I'm calling illegal have a pause, it's just coming after they put the hands together as they are stepping on to the pitching plate.

Has this approach ever been floated at any rule change meeting? Anyone know the history of this particular rule? I need more simplicity...

[CecilOne]

You are probably more likely to influence the rule maker than most of us, but just for one sanction. It will stay, just like simulating a sign instead of more clearly requiring a pause.

And of course, you are not the only one; no comment on why we hear that.

We could do without the unnecessary complication of last complete at bat vs. last batted out for courtesy runners.

[RKBUmp]

We didn't make the rules, just have to enforce them.

Never saw a problem with pitchers stepping on and immediately bringing hands together until about 6-7 years ago. Seems like out of the blue everyone started teaching pitchers to take the signal back off the pitching plate and then step on. Perfectly legal except now that the pitcher already has the signal they forget to keep their hands apart. I even brought it up at several umpire clinics and for the most part the response I got was "Im not calling that". One guy even said, "If she even looks toward the catcher she has taken a signal". Nevermind the rule specifically states the pitcher must step on with hands separated and while in that position take or simulate taking a signals. And the problem has only gotten worse with the advent of the wristbands. I have no idea why the pitchers don't just step onto the pitching plate and then take their signals.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

We didn't make the rules, just have to enforce them.

Never saw a problem with pitchers stepping on and immediately bringing hands together until about 6-7 years ago. Seems like out of the blue everyone started teaching pitchers to take the signal back off the pitching plate and then step on. Perfectly legal except now that the pitcher already has the signal they forget to keep their hands apart. I even brought it up at several umpire clinics and for the most part the response I got was "Im not calling that". One guy even said, "If she even looks toward the catcher she has taken a signal". Nevermind the rule specifically states the pitcher must step on with hands separated and while in that position take or simulate taking a signals. And the problem has only gotten worse with the advent of the wristbands. I have no idea why the pitchers don't just step onto the pitching plate and then take their signals.

" "If she even looks toward the catcher she has taken a signal"" is a common thought; but the purpose is the pause.

Because it is easier to be illegal while on the plate and because they often have to face sideways, etc, etc.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Not the original rule.

IMO, this process (stepping on the PP prior to bringing the hands together and simulating taking a signal) was initiated to create a timing pattern that insures everyone is prepared for the beginning of the pitch.

Prior to that, the pitcher only need to both feet on top of the PP with the hands together in front of the body. There was no requirement concerning the signals or delay prior to beginning the pitch.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The NCAA has done it correctly: Engage the Pitcher's Plate with the hands separated and after engaging the Pitcher's Plate come to a complete stop with the hands separated for at least two seconds. Then the hands can come together.

MTD, Sr.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

this process (stepping on the PP prior to bringing the hands together and simulating taking a signal) was initiated to create a timing pattern that insures everyone is prepared for the beginning of the pitch.

Lil'Jim, Looks like the best why you will get.