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[bbman]

Fed rules:
All subs used in game. B8 has to come out while batting because hit by pitch in the head. No sub available for her.
What's the correct ruling?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by bbman

Fed rules:
All subs used in game. B8 has to come out while batting because hit by pitch in the head. No sub available for her.
What's the correct ruling?

Looks like a shorthanded situation. The offense takes an out for that and any subsequent at bat(s).
As long as that does not take the batting order below 8.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Looks like a shorthanded situation. The offense takes an out for that and any subsequent at bat(s).
As long as that does not take the batting order below 8.

Not completely correct. NFHS has a rule that allows a runner for this half inning only, or until put out or scores; the most recent batter not currently on base.

So not an out this inning; but unless a new player arrives, shorthanded out the rest of the game. 4-3-1-g

[Colo Blue]

No. Under NFHS rules you can put a temporary runner in for the incapacitated batter. It would be the previous batter not on base. She would finish the running responsibilities until she scores or is put out. Then when the original batter is due to come up to bat, the offense would have to take an out from that point on.

Oops, Steve beat me to it.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Looks like a shorthanded situation. The offense takes an out for that and any subsequent at bat(s).
As long as that does not take the batting order below 8.

Close. Assuming B was awarded first base on the hit-by-pitch, the previous batter not on base is allowed to replace her as a temporary runner until she is put out, scores, or the half-inning ends.

NFHS 3-3-8.

Ooops X 2: AtlUmpSteve and Colo Blue beat me to it.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Looks like a shorthanded situation. The offense takes an out for that and any subsequent at bat(s).
As long as that does not take the batting order below 8.

OK ------ Fed rules:

And in the OP she had reached base, double reading rush

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob

Close. Assuming B was awarded first base on the hit-by-pitch, the previous batter not on base is allowed to replace her as a temporary runner until she is put out, scores, or the half-inning ends.

NFHS 3-3-8.

Does 4-3-1-g only apply if the team is already shorthanded?
It reads unable to provide 8 (FP), etc.

Or, is it redundant?

Under forfeits:
"g. cannot provide 8 players (F.P.), 9 players (S.P.) or 10 players (S.P. if an EP is used) in the batting order to finish the game. An out is called in that spot of the batting order (7-4-1). If that player has safely reached base, then the most recent batter not on base is allowed to run for that player, until that player is put out, scores, or the half-inning ends."

[Tru_in_Blu]

I don't have my NFHS books handy. Isn't there something about the player being allowed to re-enter later in the game. Every player is allowed 1 re-entry. Yes?

I know that applies to the blood rule, but thought it also applied to a player even if they had missed a turn at bat.

I'm pretty sure that in USA, if a player leaves due to injury (other than the exception for blood rule), they cannot re-enter.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Does 4-3-1-g only apply if the team is already shorthanded?
It reads unable to provide 8 (FP), etc.

Or, is it redundant?

Under forfeits:
"g. cannot provide 8 players (F.P.), 9 players (S.P.) or 10 players (S.P. if an EP is used) in the batting order to finish the game. An out is called in that spot of the batting order (7-4-1). If that player has safely reached base, then the most recent batter not on base is allowed to run for that player, until that player is put out, scores, or the half-inning ends."

It is a forfeit if they drop below 8 in the batting order, so, no, this doesn't apply if already shorthanded (playing with 8, they would then be down to 7).

This only keeps them from losing a runner and having to take an out immediately when they drop from 9 to 8 due to an injury on a runner.