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Little League Team Disqualification.
Mark, Jr., and I do not umpire LL Softball, so we have a question: Is it illegal for a base runner to steal signals and relay them to the batter?
MTD, Sr.
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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn. Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn. Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials Ohio High School Athletic Association Toledo, Ohio |
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Apparently little league has made it illegal, no other rule set has any such rule.
Have no idea if there is any video of the game, there are people claiming it was the umpires imagination the signs were being stolen and what they were seeing was nothing more than the runners normal routine. You are aware that was not the team that was disqualified? |
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How do they know they were stealing anything?
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Wow. I googled it and quickly found this right on the official Little League website. Talk about foreshadowing.......
"Stealing and Relaying of Pitch Selection and Location Starting in 2017, local league umpires will have the option to adopt the rule that the stealing and relaying of signs to alert the batter of pitch selection and/or location is unsportsmanlike behavior. If, in the judgment of the umpire, this behavior is occurring, both the player and the manager may be ejected from the game. The same rule will be mandated during tournament play." |
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![]() ![]() That sounds straightforward and non-controversial. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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I personally have never caught an opposing player stealing our signs, but I've definitely caught opposing coaches doing it. One lady was coaching first, and I noticed the same little instructional sentences to her batters. It was a code indicating which pitch was being called. I started having fun with it. I'd call the pitch, and then literally say her sentence for her. Her face turned blood red, and she shut up. It was awesome. |
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It's pretty obvious at the lever where it happened.
Stupid rule. Umpire's discretion. We hope it will get re-thought.
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OTOH, LL shouldn't be involved in the game of softball to begin.
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Probably more games for those of us who don't umpire LL, if all were in travel ball; but I'm curious about your reasons. Is it because they can't get it out of the baseball minds?
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The tragedy of the whole situation is the realization of the damage a social media post can do nowadays. Once it's on the internet, it can never really be taken down. The six girls who decided to raise their middle finger in that picture will be forever linked to it. And, make no mistake, considering their age and obvious talent level, at least a handful of them were probably beginning to show up on the radars of future college coaches. Probably not after this......
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After reading a some posts it seems to me that we had a post about this same signal stealing rule earlier in the season and many umpires including MTD, Jr., and myself included that it was a very stupid rule. If you do not want your signals stolen, then do a better job of hiding them or change them. MTD, Sr.
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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn. Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn. Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials Ohio High School Athletic Association Toledo, Ohio |
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I used to sort of enjoy watching the 'Senior Division' Championship game, if only to see what LL can pass off as a National Championship these days to ABC and the sponsors, who are most likely required to carry it as part of the LLWS deal.
I stopped, however, because first of all, the insane LL rule of having a freaking PITCH COUNT in softball just stupefies me to this day. It shows me LL really doesn't give a s**t about softball, and they only do it to keep themselves out of trouble with the corporate people. That, and the 'talent level' is so poor (no offense to the girls) - I'm watching and thinking I've had better JV games There are probably hundreds of decent 16U travel squads that could whip up on either team. And oh yeah, this business with sign stealing...the fingers and everything, just shows how corrupt LL is - one of the people making the decision on the punishment of the Virginia team was....the guy in charge of the Washington team?????? ![]()
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There was a different team disqualified because a group of its players fingered the opposition and posted a picture of them doing it.
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I know that. I was refering to the semi-final game in which the team that won was then disqualified for off field action. But its opponent had a player and coach ejected during the semi-final game for stealing signals. MTD, Sr.
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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn. Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn. Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials Ohio High School Athletic Association Toledo, Ohio |
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