Holding up the pitch

[josephrt1]

Ump Steve explained it pretty well. The pitcher is obligated to wait in all codes. The USA/ASA specific wording in Rule 6, section 10.B is.

It is No Pitch ...."When the pitcher attempts a quick return of the ball before the batter has taken a position in the batter’s box or when the batter is off balance."

If the pitcher pitches before the batter is set, it is a no pitch and a "quick pitch".

Last fall during a 12U game a coach came to me and asked about my instruction to the pitcher to wait. She said she wasn't familiar with ASA rules because she coached college. She asked if it was a rule to protect the little kids. I told her i did not ump college but that i had the college rule book on my phone and I was sure it was in there. showed it to her between games and she really was surprised, which really surprised me.

I only hold my hand up if the pitcher is not waiting and then I expect the pitcher to stop the quick pitch. Usually get some flak from the dugout. "Blue, her feet are in the box." Only once had to give a warning to make it stop.

[RKBUmp]

I believe the base question of the original post was if the umpire has their hand up holding the pitcher until the batter is ready is time out. The answer is no, time is not out the umpire is simply instructing the pitcher with a hand signal to not throw the pitch.

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

I have always tried to establish in the 1st inning, with both pitchers, the idea of maintaining eye contact with both pitchers - i.e. - if looking at the batter who has the foot out of the box - I am not in my set position, don't pitch; once I start getting into my set position, and making eye contact - it's ok to start the pitching process. It works 99.9999% of the time, and I never have to raise an arm, and I hardly ever have to say anything. As a result, my games behind the plate usually move pretty smoothly with very little problems.

Also with batters, even if they are keeping the one foot in, but taking 5...6..7 swings, I will - very quietly, after the 5th swing, just go "ok". It doesn't take long for them to take only 4 or 5, and I generally never have any problems there either. Again, I have established control without ever raising my voice once.

This way, when I HAVE to raise my voice on something, it is 1000% more effective. It's amazing the number of umpires who never understand this.

[jmkupka]

You're correct RKB, it is the sole purpose of my question. Asked and answered. Thanks.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

You're correct RKB, it is the sole purpose of my question. Asked and answered. Thanks.

Live ball.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Live ball.

Which is part of my discomfort with this.
Live ball while telling the pitcher and catcher (and batter), probably other defenders; AND the base umpire(s) less alert to the runners.

[jmkupka]

My original post was intended to address circle violations on the part of base runners, but I suppose illegal F1 actions could also be brought up.
e.g., I'm holding up the pitch while batter gets dug in, F1 wants to cancel her pitch and steps back off the PP while her hands are still together.