World Series call/no call discussion

[SWFLguy]

I thought last night's safe call on the runner going to home was pretty bad. If that's not running out of one's base path, nothing is. I bet the PU wishes they could see it again/take it back. The TV folks sure agree as they played it back a lot and more today. I didn't have my sound on and did not hear any discussion till today. Also the UCLA coach going ballistic over a perceived obstruction. That no call was correct in my mind. Train wrecks at home are not totally avoidable.

[teebob21]

I just watched the UCLA/TAMU play at the plate. I think this is a good OBS no call. IMHO, the position of the catcher did not impede or hinder the runner until the catcher was in the act of catching.

The ejection appeared warranted as well, although we should not step towards game participants when ejecting; we should step away. The bump after the EJ was just plain uncalled for. That's a suspension.

[SC Official]

Basketball/football guy here

What are the rules/philosophies in softball regarding assistants arguing calls? In basketball most officials have a very short leash for assistants misbehaving before assessing a technical foul. Applying my basketball knowledge to softball, I was surprised she wasn't tossed sooner, but I also have never umpired before.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Basketball/football guy here

What are the rules/philosophies in softball regarding assistants arguing calls? In basketball most officials have a very short leash for assistants misbehaving before assessing a technical foul. Applying my basketball knowledge to softball, I was surprised she wasn't tossed sooner, but I also have never umpired before.

Couldn't care less what the individual's position is on the team, they have the right to represent their team in a professional manner. all are equally liable to be ejected as necessary

[MT 73]

Only the head coach is permitted to approach an umpire.
Assistants are to be seen and not heard.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by MT 73

Only the head coach is permitted to approach an umpire.
Assistants are to be seen and not heard.

Please show me the rule stating that. I hear this over and over again from officials and yet there is no rule saying anything of the sort. The head coach is ultimately responsible for the actions of their coaching staff, but there is no rule saying only the head coach may interact with the officials.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MT 73

Only the head coach is permitted to approach an umpire.
Assistants are to be seen and not heard.

Simply not true. That is truly OOO.

[illinoisbluezeb]

NFHS Baseball
RULE 1
SECTION 1
ARTICLE 2 . . . The captain and head coach represent the team in communications with umpires. The captain's and head coach’s duties shall include: 1) providing the umpire-in-chief with his team's lineup card which shall include the name, shirt number, position and batting order of each starting player, the name and shirt number of each eligible substitute should also be listed; and 2) informing all players as to special ground rules as announced by the umpire-in-chief. Lineups become official after they have been exchanged, verified and then accepted by the umpire during the pregame conference. The umpire shall not accept the lineup card until all substitutes are listed. There is no penalty assessed.

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[Colo Blue]

MT73:
It is not in the rules but is accepted practice.
Since you hear this over and over again perhaps this should have sunk in by now.
If you guys want to take crap from an assistant coach or a score keeper be my guest.
I suppose you also allow assistants at your pre game plate conference?



NCAA and USSSA do not require that the head coach attend the pregame meeting, only that a member of the coaching staff attend. What would you do? Refuse to talk to them and insist that the head coach must attend?
Based on what? Your accepted practice?

[EsqUmp]

This is what happens when you officiate in a bubble and don't see the world when umpiring. You don't learn any better until you hear something new, often because you just accept what people tell you without actually considering it. Then an "outsider" makes a statement and everyone is wrong and you are right.

I have head coaches who never coach bases. If there's a question about a pulled foot at 1st base, I'd be a fool not to converse with the 1st base coach.

[MT 73]

Originally Posted by Colo Blue

MT73:
It is not in the rules but is accepted practice.
Since you hear this over and over again perhaps this should have sunk in by now.
If you guys want to take crap from an assistant coach or a score keeper be my guest.
I suppose you also allow assistants at your pre game plate conference?



NCAA and USSSA do not require that the head coach attend the pregame meeting, only that a member of the coaching staff attend. What would you do? Refuse to talk to them and insist that the head coach must attend?
Based on what? Your accepted practice?

I do not do not do NCAA or USSSA.
I only do USA for both HS and summer travel.
If the rules stated that the head coach does not have to attend the conference then why would I insist otherwise?
My association only wants the head coach and captains to attend the conference so why would I go against that?
And for crying out loud, how many times have I stated that I WILL--and have many times--communicate with an assistant if they do so in a respectful manner?
Talk about being in a bubble...
But you guys are correct---I mainly do baseball and under OBR--(and, thanks to Illinoisblue I see the same is true for NFHS baseball.) I was taught correctly who can and cannot communicate with an umpire.
I did go back and check my 2017 USA rulebook and I see that IrishMafia is correct about coaches--any coach--being able to communicate with and umpire so I will change my habits during the summer travel season.
Thanks to all for an informative and spirited debate.