World Series call/no call discussion

[MT 73]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No where of which I am aware



I've heard it before and promptly corrected the situation and umpire. It is the act of an over-officious official. As a coach, I would openly refuse to accept your direction.

My HS association only allows captains and head coaches at the pregame conference.
If as a coach you refused to accept this or ANY other of my directions you would be dumped and reported.

[RKBUmp]

Thought you didn't work high school?

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Thought you didn't work high school?

If I recall correctly, New York HS doesn't play under Fed rules. EsqUmp or someone else closer to knowing how that works could explain further.

Edit - Aw crap I am replying to a page 1 comment on Page 2. Ignore me.

Edit 2: Ah hell, I will chime in. One of the organizations I work for has a semi-unwritten rule of "Assistants are to be seen and not heard." By semi-unwritten, I mean those words have come out of the rep's mouth at the umpire meeting, but you won't see it in any rulebook or manual. I have also heard, on several occasions, from good umpires: "Why were you discussing it with an assistant coach?" IMO, assistants are team personnel and they are free to talk to me. They get a little more rope than a player, and a lot less than the HC.

[MT 73]

Originally Posted by teebob21

If I recall correctly, New York HS doesn't play under Fed rules. EsqUmp or someone else closer to knowing how that works could explain further.

Edit - Aw crap I am replying to a page 1 comment on Page 2. Ignore me.

Edit 2: Ah hell, I will chime in. One of the organizations I work for has a semi-unwritten rule of "Assistants are to be seen and not heard." By semi-unwritten, I mean those words have come out of the rep's mouth at the umpire meeting, but you won't see it in any rulebook or manual. I have also heard, on several occasions, from good umpires: "Why were you discussing it with an assistant coach?" IMO, assistants are team personnel and they are free to talk to me. They get a little more rope than a player, and a lot less than the HC.

NYS plays under USA but uses some NFHS rules.
In NYC we go strictly under USA with one exception--we do not have a penalty for an unreported sub.
Your last sentence is exactly what I was trying to convey.

[CecilOne]

Lets not get any testier or negatively personal.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by MT 73

Only the head coach is permitted to approach an umpire.
Assistants are to be seen and not heard.

Originally Posted by MT 73

My HS association only allows captains and head coaches at the pregame conference....

Those aren't the same thing.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MT 73

My HS association only allows captains and head coaches at the pregame conference.
If as a coach you refused to accept this or ANY other of my directions you would be dumped and reported.

Report away. During the hearing, I would simply ask what provides you with such authority. Is there a rule specifically supporting your direction that you will only deal with HC?

In ASA/USA, the book specifically states that a coach is there to represent their team. No specific coach, any coach even a player/coach. How can a coach represent the team and players if the umpire refuses to entertain any questions or discussion?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MT 73

My HS association only allows captains and head coaches at the pregame conference.

I wonder why? It is true that by rule only the team's head coach can verify the lineup card, acknowledge that his/her players are properly and legally equipped, and that players and equipment are in compliance with NFHS rules. But that doesn't mean an assistant coach cannot attend the plate conference with the head coach. Does your association find something improper with assistant coaches attending the conference? Some of those assistants are going to be head coaches at some point, so why not let them attend and learn?

[MT 73]

Originally Posted by Manny A

I wonder why? It is true that by rule only the team's head coach can verify the lineup card, acknowledge that his/her players are properly and legally equipped, and that players and equipment are in compliance with NFHS rules. But that doesn't mean an assistant coach cannot attend the plate conference with the head coach. Does your association find something improper with assistant coaches attending the conference? Some of those assistants are going to be head coaches at some point, so why not let them attend and learn?

Quite frankly I never gave it much thought as to why.
And in 6 years of umpiring NYC HS I have never had an assistant coach even try to come out for a conference.
Heck, 70% of the teams do not even have an assistant coach.
To repeat, I wil not just remain mute if a coach has a legitimate question or seeks a ruling in a respectful manner.
And if an assistant coach is on first base and claims that F3 was off the bag I will react s if the manager made such a request.
But I will NOT give the same leeway to an assistant as I would to the head coach because they are not in charge of the team.
The only time that I ejected an assistant ( it was during the summer travel season) was when a scorekeeper came out to question a tag play.
After I explained to him the runner got under the tag he rolled his eyes and tossed his clipboard into the air.
I waited until he picked it up and then tossed him.