Subs

[MT 73]

USA and NFHS
If a team has no more eligible substitutes available for re entry can one of them be used to replace and injured player?

[RKBUmp]

No, a sub can only ever occupy 1 spot in the lineup. If they have no available subs the team has to go short handed.

[Mountaincoach]

How about if the team only has 9 players for a game and a batter gets drilled with a pitched ball and is unable to walk? Can the last batter run for them that particular inning, or do they have to take an out immediately?

[RKBUmp]

I'm sure some rec leagues have rules allowing such things but if you go by straight rule sets, no.

[CecilOne]

Isn't there a rule that allows a temporary "substitute" for an injured runner to complete the time on base?

[RKBUmp]

Looks like USSSA does, but dont know of any other rule set that has that provision. Dont do much in the way of USSSA so dont keep up on their rules.

[MT 73]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Isn't there a rule that allows a temporary "substitute" for an injured runner to complete the time on base?

I thought that there was a rule in some code ( not sure which one) that in the case of an injury the opposing coach could choose one of the players to enter the game.
Then again I am not even sure if this was in baseball or softball.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach

How about if the team only has 9 players for a game and a batter gets drilled with a pitched ball and is unable to walk? Can the last batter run for them that particular inning, or do they have to take an out immediately?

Out

[Mountaincoach]

This is fascinating. Thanks for the replies. Interesting that NF and Utrip apparently have a provision for a replacement, but ASA/USA does not.

I gotta ask--have any of you ever been forced to call an injured batter out in this situation? It seems it would be more likely to happen in ASA/USA and USSSA than NFHSA due to the fact that travel teams don't stack their rosters very deep. One of these days, we'll have a famous YouTube video of this scenario?

[bigwally]

PONY also has a provision to replace an injured or ill player with the last player removed from the lineup if they have no eligible subs

[josephrt1]

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach

I gotta ask--have any of you ever been forced to call an injured batter out in this situation? It seems it would be more likely to happen in ASA/USA and USSSA than NFHSA due to the fact that travel teams don't stack their rosters very deep. One of these days, we'll have a famous YouTube video of this scenario?

In rec leagues when everyone bats there are often provisions to replace an injured player because when everyone bats, you have no sub. There are boundaries around this so it doesn't get abused too much.

One related situation that happened to me when i was still coaching: Batting 9, my batter got drilled in the knee and was seriously hurt. I told Blue i needed to get her treated in the dugout and i would do a "dead-ball substitution" and put an eligible sub on 1st base. He agreed. Then the other coach complained that the injured girl never touched first base so the umpire called my girl out! (Dead Ball Substitute - ASA Rule 4.6.D)

Even though i told ump before i made the change that I was doing a dead ball substitution and he agreed, he said he was going to let it slide but because the other coach complained, he would now have to follow the rules. He didn't know the rules. No UIC available at this field to help out. Only time I got to use the rule as a coach and ump could not follow it. I have allowed it a couple of times as an ump.

[Tru_in_Blu]

For NFHS, there is indeed a provision to allow a previous batter not on base to act as a temporary runner.

I'm not typing in the whole rule, but reference:

3-3-8 a:d

and

4-3-1g

[BlueDevilRef]

I don't have a book for either in front of me but both utrip and NF have a provision that allows a replacement runner in the case of injury.