ASA: 10+ seconds, pitcher with hands together

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by robbie

Secondly: Why would you call a violation (illegal pitch or otherwise) if she is only 12-13 seconds into a 20 second count?
Thanks in advance.

I can see where this was written poorly. The pitcher normally was taking nearly 15 second to deliver the pitch. The legal maximum is 20, and she was doing everything legally up to the pitch described.

As to the second part, ASA/NFHS have a ten-second maximum on a pitcher with her hands together (illegal pitch). NCAA limits this to 5 seconds, and the penalty is different (only a ball on batter).

[IRISHMAFIA]

I would have granted the batter time. Obviously she wasn't prepared to bat.

I would not consider the batter moving out of the BB prior to the pitcher making a motion to deliver a pitch an attempt to draw an IP. Even if it were, it is a "no pitch" and a warning given to the offending team. The second time is an ejection and still a "no pitch".

[MD Longhorn]

I'm still wondering how we got to 12 or 13 ... when the violation occurred at 10.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm still wondering how we got to 12 or 13 ... when the violation occurred at 10.

I was talking to the batter, telling her to stay and that I had not granted time.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by teebob21

I was talking to the batter, telling her to stay and that I had not granted time.

But you don't have any of these other problems is you simply call the IP at 10, when it occurred. At the point you were talking to the batter, it really didn't matter if the batter backed out or got back in... the pitch was over.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

But you don't have any of these other problems is you simply call the IP at 10, when it occurred. At the point you were talking to the batter, it really didn't matter if the batter backed out or got back in... the pitch was over.

I can see both points of view, here. It seems to me that it is a more realistic explanation that the count didn't end because you refused to grant "time" (which you have every right to do), than to explain that the count expired with the batter now out of the batter's box.

But your point is also valid; call it when it expires.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by teebob21

...My count, had it not been interrupted, would have been to 12, maybe 13 by now. ...

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm still wondering how we got to 12 or 13 ... when the violation occurred at 10.

Does MD stand for Mr. Data?

My internal chronograph is not so accurate that I would make the call exactly at 10!