How Would You Handle This as U1?

[CecilOne]

Obviously we all agree that this is the case the umpire jeopardy rule was written for.

Now, there is no "C" position in 3 ump mechanics and I'm pretty sure not on 4 ump either. Please clarify.

Did the coach complain or ... about the way he was talked to?

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Obviously we all agree that this is the case the umpire jeopardy rule was written for.

Now, there is no "C" position in 3 ump mechanics and I'm pretty sure not on 4 ump either. Please clarify.

Did the coach complain or ... about the way he was talked to?

Michigan uses two umpires only from the districts through at least the regionals, if not all the way through the finals.

I think the confusion lies with the terms he used. Often times in a two umpire system the U1 is the PU and U2 is the base umpire. Given the description I suspect this was the alignment.

[blueump]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Michigan uses two umpires only from the districts through at least the regionals, if not all the way through the finals.

I think the confusion lies with the terms he used. Often times in a two umpire system the U1 is the PU and U2 is the base umpire. Given the description I suspect this was the alignment.

2-man system through quarter finals. 3-man starts at semi-finals.

[BoomerSooner]

I've seen mistakes like this made intentionally by trainers, but not in games with anything on the line. I initially thought that might be the case until I saw the "district championship game" part of the initial post. I really hope this wasn't the case of an intentional mistake for training purposes given what was at stake for the teams.

If this were in a camp or some other instructional environment, I appreciate having an umpire intentionally mess something up so we can train on how to fix it. Obviously the goal is to never make a mistake in the first place, but we can look really foolish if we don't know how to fix it properly. This concept is especially helpful with HS basketball with the correctable error rules, where sometimes the most complex part of fixing the error is determining if it qualifies as a correctable error.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by BoomerSooner

I've seen mistakes like this made intentionally by trainers, but not in games with anything on the line. I initially thought that might be the case until I saw the "district championship game" part of the initial post. I really hope this wasn't the case of an intentional mistake for training purposes given what was at stake for the teams.

If this were in a camp or some other instructional environment, I appreciate having an umpire intentionally mess something up so we can train on how to fix it. Obviously the goal is to never make a mistake in the first place, but we can look really foolish if we don't know how to fix it properly. This concept is especially helpful with HS basketball with the correctable error rules, where sometimes the most complex part of fixing the error is determining if it qualifies as a correctable error.

Shouldn't the trainer be showing the correct way?

[BoomerSooner]

If we lived in a world where everyone always did it the correct way, then absolutely yes...

Many times there is more value in dealing with mistakes in a game situation than there is reading about them or reviewing situations like this in a classroom or on a message board. The key is that if a trainer is going to intentionally make an error for the purpose of learning, he/she should do so in the proper setting (i.e. a scrimmage where both teams understand that the umpires are also training).

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

I think the confusion lies with the terms he used. Often times in a two umpire system the U1 is the PU and U2 is the base umpire. Given the description I suspect this was the alignment.

OH, so U1 = PU, U2 = BU in our usual terms. Thanks.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Now, there is no "C" position in 3 ump mechanics and I'm pretty sure not on 4 ump either. Please clarify.

This was my first thought as well. Wrong rotated position and wrong rule application. I'd find training elsewhere.