Batting out of order

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

NFHS and ASA now are the same on this. NCAA is different, as the only out is the batter who should have batted (outs on the play are nullified).

Rule 11.10

One more rule where NCAA has moved further and further away from every other softball rule set. All kinds of instances where it would be a disadvantage for the defense to appeal a batting out of order. Incorrect batter hits into a double play not involving the batter. If defense appeals the batting out of order, instead of 2 outs and 2 less base runners they only get 1 out and put 2 runners back on base.

That rule actually makes it an enticing proposition for the offense to purposely bat out of order because there is no real penalty for it other than just a single out. The defensive coach would be forced to choose between taking just the single out and correcting the batting order, or, not appealing and allowing the offense to reset the batting order.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

One more rule where NCAA has moved further and further away from every other softball rule set. All kinds of instances where it would be a disadvantage for the defense to appeal a batting out of order. Incorrect batter hits into a double play not involving the batter. If defense appeals the batting out of order, instead of 2 outs and 2 less base runners they only get 1 out and put 2 runners back on base.

That rule actually makes it an enticing proposition for the offense to purposely bat out of order because there is no real penalty for it other than just a single out. The defensive coach would be forced to choose between taking just the single out and correcting the batting order, or, not appealing and allowing the offense to reset the batting order.

You are correct in your analysis. Hitting into a double play does give the defense a choice.

I had a coach tell me this year that she will purposely bat out of order a few times a year. I'm not sure if she was joking, but she did seem like she was serious.

Like anything else in NCAA, it will be changed when someone with a little stroke is disadvantaged.

[IRISHMAFIA]

IMO, ASA had it right and screwed it up. The BOO should, without question, carry a penalty.

In addition, if the defense retires anyone, including the wrong batter, those are outs earned and should not be negated to the advantage of the offending team.

You know, for an organization who for more than a half a century was the leader in the game of softball worldwide, they sure have been doing a lot of following in the last decade or so.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

IMO, ASA had it right and screwed it up. The BOO should, without question, carry a penalty.

In addition, if the defense retires anyone, including the wrong batter, those are outs earned and should not be negated to the advantage of the offending team.

You know, for an organization who for more than a half a century was the leader in the game of softball worldwide, they sure have been doing a lot of following in the last decade or so.

I agree, the defense earned every out they made on the field and then there was an additional penalty for the batting out of order. The NCAA rule is really no penalty at all, why not skip over your worst batter and try to reset the batting order. Worst case the it is just a single out which more than likely would have happened anyway since it was their worst batter they are attempting to skip over in the first place.

[Reffing Rev.]

Clarification. ASA 10U

No outs
Angie is on 3rd
Betty is on 1st
Claire is due up but Dianne bats instead.
Dianne strikes out.

Coach appeals BOO

Claire is out
Dianne is up.
1 out, correct?
They don't get both outs correct?

I had to protest a game tonight to get this straight, and I think we finally did.

[BretMan]

You are correct, sir!

ASA changed their rule (2 years ago?) to negate the improper batter's at-bat, aligning themselves with other organizations. Prior to that, they would have enforced the out made by the improper batter.

Not anymore!

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by BretMan

You are correct, sir!

ASA changed their rule (2 years ago?) to negate the improper batter's at-bat, aligning themselves with other organizations. Prior to that, they would have enforced the out made by the improper batter.

Not anymore!

Thank you all! Had this in a game yesterday, FLEX batting for #7 slot even though DP was in #2 slot.
Yes, illegal sub, but was it really BOO ?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

One more rule where NCAA has moved further and further away from every other softball rule set. All kinds of instances where it would be a disadvantage for the defense to appeal a batting out of order. Incorrect batter hits into a double play not involving the batter. If defense appeals the batting out of order, instead of 2 outs and 2 less base runners they only get 1 out and put 2 runners back on base.

That rule actually makes it an enticing proposition for the offense to purposely bat out of order because there is no real penalty for it other than just a single out. The defensive coach would be forced to choose between taking just the single out and correcting the batting order, or, not appealing and allowing the offense to reset the batting order.

Honestly, the NCAA version makes the most sense...

Either you take the play, or you take the penalty.

[RKBUmp]

Don't see how the NCAA rule makes any sense at all. There is essentially no penalty so it just invites the coach purposely bat out of order. Makes it way too easy to purposely reeset the batting order.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Don't see how the NCAA rule makes any sense at all. There is essentially no penalty so it just invites the coach purposely bat out of order. Makes it way too easy to purposely reeset the batting order.

There's ZERO benefit from batting out of order on purpose. You either do something that benefits the other team, or you get your at bat nullified and add an out.