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Old Mon May 23, 2016, 05:02pm
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Batting out of order

R1 on 2nd, R2 on 1st. Wrong batter hits a single. R1 scores, R2 on 2nd, BR on 1st. Before next pitch, it's discovered that BR is wrong.

7.2.D.2b EFFECT (a) The player who should have batted is out. (Got it!)
7.2.D.2b EFFECT (b) Any advance of runners and any run scored shall be nullified. All outs made stand. (If everything is nullified, what happens to R1, R2, and the wrong BR? Is the entire play cancelled, everyone goes back to their original base, the right batter is out, and the next batter bats?)
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Old Mon May 23, 2016, 06:05pm
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The "advance" is nullified.

Runners go back.
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Old Mon May 23, 2016, 06:59pm
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R1 on 2nd, R2 on 1st. Wrong batter hits a single. R1 scores, R2 on 2nd, BR on 1st. Before next pitch, it's discovered that BR is wrong.

7.2.D.2b EFFECT (a) The player who should have batted is out. (Got it!)
7.2.D.2b EFFECT (b) Any advance of runners and any run scored shall be nullified. All outs made stand. (If everything is nullified, what happens to R1, R2, and the wrong BR? Is the entire play cancelled, everyone goes back to their original base, the right batter is out, and the next batter bats?)
Not everything is nullified. As noted, if there were any outs executed during the play, other than the improper batter, those outs remain in the book
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Old Mon May 23, 2016, 07:48pm
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R1 on 2nd, R2 on 1st. Wrong batter hits a single. R1 scores, R2 on 2nd, BR on 1st. Before next pitch, it's discovered that BR is wrong.

7.2.D.2b EFFECT (a) The player who should have batted is out. (Got it!)
7.2.D.2b EFFECT (b) Any advance of runners and any run scored shall be nullified. All outs made stand. (If everything is nullified, what happens to R1, R2, and the wrong BR? Is the entire play cancelled, everyone goes back to their original base, the right batter is out, and the next batter bats?)
R1 & R2 return to TOP bases. The wrong batter at bat is negated (never happened); then as you said "the right batter is out, and the next batter bats". Next batter being the one who would follow the missed batter.
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Old Mon May 23, 2016, 08:18pm
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If memory serves me, Fed would not count the improper batters out(if she did indeed get an out). There's a casebook play but I don't have that book in front of me.
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Old Mon May 23, 2016, 09:37pm
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If memory serves me, Fed would not count the improper batters out(if she did indeed get an out). There's a casebook play but I don't have that book in front of me.
All rule sets are now the same on this, all outs made stand except any outs made on the improper batter.
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Old Tue May 24, 2016, 07:22am
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All rule sets are now the same on this, all outs made stand except any outs made on the improper batter.
NFHS and ASA now are the same on this. NCAA is different, as the only out is the batter who should have batted (outs on the play are nullified).

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If the error is reported after the incorrect batter has completed her turn at bat . . . (a) the player who should have batted is out; (b) all results because of a ball batted by the improper batter or because of the improper batter’s advance to first base as a result of obstruction, an error, a hit batter, walk, dropped third strike or a base hit shall be nullified;
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Old Tue May 24, 2016, 07:57am
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NFHS and ASA now are the same on this. NCAA is different, as the only out is the batter who should have batted (outs on the play are nullified).

Rule 11.10
One more rule where NCAA has moved further and further away from every other softball rule set. All kinds of instances where it would be a disadvantage for the defense to appeal a batting out of order. Incorrect batter hits into a double play not involving the batter. If defense appeals the batting out of order, instead of 2 outs and 2 less base runners they only get 1 out and put 2 runners back on base.

That rule actually makes it an enticing proposition for the offense to purposely bat out of order because there is no real penalty for it other than just a single out. The defensive coach would be forced to choose between taking just the single out and correcting the batting order, or, not appealing and allowing the offense to reset the batting order.
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