miscellaneous rules

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Agreed: per a strict interpretation of the rule (8-9-2), the players on the home-team lineup listed as pitcher and catcher must play the position for at least one pitch, unless injured or disqualified. I'm not even sure if a courtesy runner would be required....the book says that they have to face at least the first batter (one pitch).

What about other books, ASA, etc.?

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

What about other books, ASA, etc.?

ASA - Whomever is listed as F1 or F2 gets a CR in top of 1st; anyone can play F1 or F2 in bottom of first. A "loophole" that ASA hasn't (or doesn't care) to address.

NCAA - moot, as there are no CR's.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

ASA - Whomever is listed as F1 or F2 gets a CR in top of 1st; anyone can play F1 or F2 in bottom of first. A "loophole" that ASA hasn't (or doesn't care) to address.

Which means in ASA there is no one pitch/batter requirement for those initially listed.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Which means in ASA there is no one pitch/batter requirement for those initially listed.

Correct.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

ASA - Whomever is listed as F1 or F2 gets a CR in top of 1st; anyone can play F1 or F2 in bottom of first. A "loophole" that ASA hasn't (or doesn't care) to address.

NCAA - moot, as there are no CR's.

My NCAA Softball Rules Books go only as far back as the 2000-01 season, and there CR does not exist as far as back as the 2000-01. When did the NCAA remove the CR from its Softball Rules or did it never have a CR rule?

MTD, Sr.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

My NCAA Softball Rules Books go only as far back as the 2000-01 season, and there CR does not exist as far as back as the 2000-01. When did the NCAA remove the CR from its Softball Rules or did it never have a CR rule?

MTD, Sr.

My first book was 1999 and did not contain CR's.

The earliest version of the NCAA rule book is somewhere around 1997. Prior to the NCAA book, they used the ASA book with some modifications, which were listed on one page (I remember noticing the modifications in 1995). Not sure if ASA allowed CR's then or if NCAA disallowed CR.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

My first book was 1999 and did not contain CR's.

The earliest version of the NCAA rule book is somewhere around 1997. Prior to the NCAA book, they used the ASA book with some modifications, which were listed on one page (I remember noticing the modifications in 1995). Not sure if ASA allowed CR's then or if NCAA disallowed CR.

I think CR started in 2004, at least for NFHS.

[AtlUmpSteve]

NCAA has never allowed a courtesy runner.

I seem to recall a case play ruling in ASA from KR attempting to mirror the NFHS application without direct rules support. Don't have time to research it, though.