Licked Fingers & Others...

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I've always been in the camp that if you have a pitching violation/infraction prior to the start of the pitch, you kill the ball immediately. A fair amount of pitchers will stop their action when they see that arm go out or hear the call.

IMO, no reason to complicate an already tenuous situation.

AFA the casebook is concerned, I consider that a post-rule publication interpretation, so yes, IMO an up to date casebook would carry the weight of the rule

What about allowing the offense to achieve a positive result? Other than the unsafe ball situation per Steve.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

What about allowing the offense to achieve a positive result? Other than the unsafe ball situation per Steve.

The penalty IS a positive result. I'm talking about before the pitch starts. Why would the pitcher even bother since the situation cannot get any better for them? What are you going to do just stand there with your arm out for 20 seconds? Hell, the pitcher could have some fun and just drill the batter. Or throw it over the backstop. Why not, giving the offense a chance to hit the ball is not a smart option.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The penalty IS a positive result. I'm talking about before the pitch starts. Why would the pitcher even bother since the situation cannot get any better for them? What are you going to do just stand there with your arm out for 20 seconds? Hell, the pitcher could have some fun and just drill the batter. Or throw it over the backstop. Why not, giving the offense a chance to hit the ball is not a smart option.

I'm not negating your view, but not convinced.
Isn't a base hit often a "more favorable" result and more likely than HBP, etc.? If giving the offense a chance to hit the ball is not smart, then doesn't that mean the offense can do something more favorable?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I'm not negating your view, but not convinced.
Isn't a base hit often a "more favorable" result and more likely than HBP, etc.? If giving the offense a chance to hit the ball is not smart, then doesn't that mean the offense can do something more favorable?

First you want positive and now a more favorable result. Why not just score the lead runner? Why lean toward a maximum possible punishment over some of the most trivial violations? Often, violations that have next to no, if any effect on the outcome of the game.

Call it, kill it, apply the rule effect and move on.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

....What are you going to do just stand there with your arm out for 20 seconds?....

Nope..As I drop to my set position at the start of the pitch, my left arm goes out and I say "illegal pitch" loud enough for the batter and catcher to hear.

If the pitcher stops her motion as a result of that, I'll kill it and award the IP penalty.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

Nope..As I drop to my set position at the start of the pitch, my left arm goes out and I say "illegal pitch" loud enough for the batter and catcher to hear.

If the pitcher stops her motion as a result of that, I'll kill it and award the IP penalty.

Are you going to a set if the pitcher just stands there?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Are you going to a set if the pitcher just stands there?

If hands are not yet together, I'm with you; kill it. If she steps off or separates without a pitch, she abandoned the pitch.

If the pitcher has brought her hands together and is still on the pitchers plate, I'm waiting, as she has neither started a pitch nor abandoned the pitch sequence. After 10 seconds (5 in NCAA), she has created a 2nd illegal pitch, but that hardly matters.