Dropped third......

[BlueDevilRef]

Here's a new one for me. Nobody on, two down. 1-2 count, which I announced and coach even noted to batter "two on ya, protect". Batter swings and misses. Coaches yelling "run run run" and"tag her tag her". Neither of which happens. Batter runner stays in box and catcher throws ball back to pitcher. Everyone is just kind of standing around at this point.

Now, I've not researched to back up the call I made but I waited probably 15 seconds, standing there with mask in hand and finally said "she gave up her opportunity to run, Batters out"

Ideas on any other way to have done it? It was small schools but still a varsity game, I can't figure out why somebody (ANYBODY) didn't know what to do.

[DaveASA/FED]

I would say "that was strike three" and see what happens, she will either run or head to the dugout. Technically the batter is not out until they enter dead ball territory so your call was not by rule correct.

[AtlUmpSteve]

I'm treating that about the same as a ball pitched and hit fair after "illegal pitch" is called, and no one reacts. Do not allow another pitch, do not call time, do not make any ruling. It a live ball, and someone needs to make a play for the status to change.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

I would say "that was strike three" and see what happens, she will either run or head to the dugout. Technically the batter is not out until they enter dead ball territory so your call was not by rule correct.

Of course I know that but what's a guy to do? Batter was taking a batting stance and pitcher appeared ready to throw another pitch.......I knew it wasn't really supported by rule but couldn't think of anything else to do at the time. But I will use your suggestion of stating (loudly) "that was strike three". Hopefully that would get the action moving.

It was a very strange moment. Literally the only people who knew what was going on were me and my partner. And it's not like it was a mystery. She swung big time and the count had been announced and was in the board. Very odd.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Of course I know that but what's a guy to do? .

Say "Strike Three". Stand off to the side watching. Not like the inning was over, but as in watching a play.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Say "Strike Three". Stand off to the side watching. Not like the inning was over, but as in watching a play.

^^^This....

Standing off to the side along the third base line with your mask off will eventually allow somebody to figure out that there is still a play in progress.

I can't say I have ever had this happen with a D3K, but I have had it plenty of time when I have called Ball 4 and the batter stays in the box.

If it's a timed game...even better...

[BlueDevilRef]

It wasn't a timed game. And in 12+ years of varsity softball, it was a first for me. I was remiss in not announcing "strike three" but that won't happen again. Another tool in the belt now.

[tcannizzo]

This brings to mind that the LBR is not in effect until BR reaches 1B.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

It wasn't a timed game. And in 12+ years of varsity softball, it was a first for me. I was remiss in not announcing "strike three" but that won't happen again. Another tool in the belt now.

I and I'm sure others have had first timers long after 12 years. I remember two in my 26th year.

[chapmaja]

This is why I always say strike 3 no matter if it's a called 3rd or a swinging strike. I only say batters out if it's a caught third strike or if the batter has no legal ability to advance (1St occupied with less than 2 out).

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

This is why I always say strike 3 no matter if it's a called 3rd or a swinging strike. I only say batters out if it's a caught third strike or if the batter has no legal ability to advance (1St occupied with less than 2 out).

What you do is what all umpires should do no matter if it is softball or baseball.

MTD, Sr.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

This is why I always say strike 3 no matter if it's a called 3rd or a swinging strike. I only say batters out if it's a caught third strike or if the batter has no legal ability to advance (1St occupied with less than 2 out).

I believe it is disapproved to announce any swinging strike, unless checked, including strike three. Unless of course an U3K needs a "batter out".

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I believe it is disapproved to announce any swinging strike, unless checked, including strike three. Unless of course an U3K needs a "batter out".

As I'm fond of saying (I stole it from a movie), "she swung, no need to celebrate it"

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by Andy

^^^This....

Standing off to the side along the third base line with your mask off will eventually allow somebody to figure out that there is still a play in progress.

I can't say I have ever had this happen with a D3K, but I have had it plenty of time when I have called Ball 4 and the batter stays in the box.

If it's a timed game...even better...

Had this happen Thursday this week in a HS varsity game, Andy. Batter swings at a ball low and in the dirt for strike 3. I signal with the hammer and say "Three" as well as give the safe-sign indicating a D3K (NCAA mechanic, oops!). The batter-runner takes off for 1B, and F2 throws down to F3. F3 is nowhere near the bag, and she continues taking the ball around the horn.

The BR reaches 1B, overruns.....and jogs to the dugout. I stood and watched. Nobody on either team says anything. The ball is still going around when the BR enters the dugout. I called a dead ball, pointed at the dugout, and said "The batter is out."

Do coaches teach the runners to run on all third strikes, rather than teach them why?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Had this happen Thursday this week in a HS varsity game, Andy. Batter swings at a ball low and in the dirt for strike 3. I signal with the hammer and say "Three" as well as give the safe-sign indicating a D3K (NCAA mechanic, oops!). The batter-runner takes off for 1B, and F2 throws down to F3. F3 is nowhere near the bag, and she continues taking the ball around the horn.

The BR reaches 1B, overruns.....and jogs to the dugout. I stood and watched. Nobody on either team says anything. The ball is still going around when the BR enters the dugout. I called a dead ball, pointed at the dugout, and said "The batter is out."

Do coaches teach the runners to run on all third strikes, rather than teach them why?

Why dead ball?