2016 Fed changes

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Umpire@1

https://nfhs-softball.arbitersports....20Rules(1).pdf

Was told this was supposed to be the official statement from rules interpreter? Hope this helps

Still an absurdly written rule change. These people ain't too smart

[RKBUmp]

After they issued their first idiotic ruling on projected subs, I guess the only way to fix it was to come up with some other strangely worded rule.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

After they issued their first idiotic ruling on projected subs, I guess the only way to fix it was to come up with some other strangely worded rule.

Yeah, I guess something along the lines of, "All substitutions are effective immediately upon acceptence by the umpire" would be too difficult to understand.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yeah, I guess something along the lines of, "All substitutions are effective immediately upon acceptence by the umpire" would be too difficult to understand.

Except they couldn't word it that way after they changed their substitution rule to say the sub was not officially in the game until the ball was declared live by the plate umpire a few years back.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Except they couldn't word it that way after they changed their substitution rule to say the sub was not officially in the game until the ball was declared live by the plate umpire a few years back.

I don't believe that is accurate, although it does appear to be a common misconception.

Not looking in a book, but my memory says that UNREPORTED subs are not in the game until the ball is live and they are playing in that position. The purpose was to stop the absurd rulings that if someone not in the game or playing a different position stopped somewhere on the field (let's say the shortstop threw a warmup pitch, or a courtesy runner stopped to warm up the pitcher) that it was a substitution.

All REPORTED substitutions are in the game when the substitution is accepted by the umpire (in NCAA, and in common practice elsewhere, actually when the sub is reported to all affected parties).

[RKBUmp]

Nfhs 3-3 art 3 e. And, in each of the above situations, when the ball is declared live by the plate umpire.

My recollection is there is also a test question on it with regard to a coach making a sub who has been announced to the opposing coach, but changes their mind prior to the umpire putting the ball back into play. If the ball has not been put back into play the sub has not officially entered the game.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Nfhs 3-3 art 3 e. And, in each of the above situations, when the ball is declared live by the plate umpire.

My recollection is there is also a test question on it with regard to a coach making a sub who has been announced to the opposing coach, but changes their mind prior to the umpire putting the ball back into play. If the ball has not been put back into play the sub has not officially entered the game.

You are skipping the preface to all those sub-articles, which states "If there is no announcement of substitutions, a substitute has entered the game when ......"

This (when the ball is declared live) relates to unreported/unannounced substitutions. Once reported and announced, this clause is not in effect (whether listed on a test or not).