Scoring Question Redux

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Ok, I'm new to soccer....coached for many years but have officiated a grand total of about a 6 full games (1 C, 4 AR, 1 solo) and a few short Jamborees.

But, It is not necessarily true that the kicker is making an error in kicking it at the goal. If close enough and given the line, the kicker might try to blast it off of the keeper and hope it goes in or hope that the keeper would instinctively reach for the ball.

I would think the point should be credited with the player who gave the ball its primary impetus.....a deflection is credited to the player who kicked it into the deflection. An attempt to clear the ball that is poorly executed or an error where the player deliberately kicks it toward their own goal (either being confused or trying to pass to a teammate in that direction who misses the ball) would be an own goal.

Said another way, if the ball was in the goal solely by the actions of a defender....own goal. If an offensive action was material in the ball ending up in the goal, credit the appropriate offensive player. It doesn't matter that the offensive player can't score it entirely alone (without it touching another player).

Parallel basketball play....

A1 has the ball for a throwin. A1 can not legally score from a throwin. B5 guarding A1 on the throwin. A1 shoots the ball anyway and it is tipped by B5. Ball goes in. There is nothing in the rules that says this is not a try....but only that it is a violation for it to enter the goal without touching another player. A1 scored the points.

The only material offensive action is the goal keeper touching the ball.

It's not a good plan to hope for your opponent to make a stupid play, particularly when there are other, better ways to score on an IFK.

In your basketball play, A1 has not made a try for goal because he has not "attempt[ed] to score two points by throwing the ball into a team's own basket" (NFHS 4-41-2) since he cannot score from a throw-in (NFHS 5-1-1). The goal is not credited to any player but recorded as a footnote (NFHS 5-2-3).