Scoring Question Redux

[Eastshire]

Ok, let's take it one step further................if an indirect kick is taken and it deflects off the keeper's hands into the goal, is it an own goal?

That's a good question. I think the answer for me is yes. If the keeper just let's it go, it's a goal kick. His action causes the goal so it's his.

[phatneff]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

That's a good question. I think the answer for me is yes. If the keeper just let's it go, it's a goal kick. His action causes the goal so it's his.

Ok, this is my opinion. If a ball is heading in the direction of the goal (i.e., a shot on goal compared to a shot that would go wide or above the goal) from an offensive player, that player should be given credit for the goal, assuming he is the last offensive player to touch it, and regardless if it touches a defensive player before entering the goal. The throw-in would fit this criteria.

I think of an own goal as the opposite of that, where the ball is NOT heading in the direction of the goal but deflects off a defensive player into the goal, such as from a crossing pass.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by phatneff

Ok, this is my opinion. If a ball is heading in the direction of the goal (i.e., a shot on goal compared to a shot that would go wide or above the goal) from an offensive player, that player should be given credit for the goal, assuming he is the last offensive player to touch it, and regardless if it touches a defensive player before entering the goal. The throw-in would fit this criteria.

I think of an own goal as the opposite of that, where the ball is NOT heading in the direction of the goal but deflects off a defensive player into the goal, such as from a crossing pass.

I don't think of it so much in directions but potentials. A DFK on goal which is tipped by the keeper but goes in was always a potential goal so award it to the kicker. An IFK on goal which was tipped by the keeper and goes in was not a potential goal until the keeper played it, so award it to the keeper.

In general, kicking an IFK directly on goal or throwing a throw-in directly on goal is a mental error. I wouldn't want to encourage it.

[phatneff]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I don't think of it so much in directions but potentials. A DFK on goal which is tipped by the keeper but goes in was always a potential goal so award it to the kicker. An IFK on goal which was tipped by the keeper and goes in was not a potential goal until the keeper played it, so award it to the keeper.

In general, kicking an IFK directly on goal or throwing a throw-in directly on goal is a mental error. I wouldn't want to encourage it.

Valid point. However, mental errors can be controlled (supposedly). Physical errors can't.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by phatneff

Valid point. However, mental errors can be controlled (supposedly). Physical errors can't.

True, but a keeper touching an IFK or a throw-in in this manner is a mental error.

[phatneff]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

True, but a keeper touching an IFK or a throw-in in this manner is a mental error.

That's my point. He should be punished for mental errors. Just like in baseball, physical errors are acceptable, but mental errors will cost you even more.