Goal or offside play?

[SamG]

Originally Posted by LRZ

(2) A2 is not offside, A2 is in an offside position, which is not itself a violation.

Would you please explain this? How is ANY player in an offside position when a corner kick is taken?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by SamG

Would you please explain this? How is ANY player in an offside position when a corner kick is taken?

A1 took the corner kick. When A3 played the ball is when A2 was in an offside position.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by SamG

Would you please explain this? How is ANY player in an offside position when a corner kick is taken?

I was just pointing out the difference between being offside and being in an offside position. As you noted before, you cannot be offside on a CK.

I never thought about this before, but I guess it is possible to be in an offside position (not offside) on a CK. The rule does not say that you cannot be in an offside position: let's say A2 is on the goal line and the ball is on one yard in from the goal line, on the CK corner arc. I could be wrong, but I do not know of a case or language stating that the ball is assumed to be on the goal line. NFHS Rule 11-1-2 has this language, which suggest that you can be in an offside position on a CK: "A player shall not be penalized for being in an offside position if the ball is received directly from a goal kick, a corner kick or a throw-in."

(By the way, I think you meant "goal line," not "touchline.")

[LRZ]

I would focus on A2, not the GK. It is a referee's judgment call: how is A2 interfering?

And I don't think this requires actual movement by A2; positioning to block the GK's movement could be sufficient, as in slide #18. A HTBT judgment.

[SamG]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I would focus on A2, not the GK. It is a referee's judgment call: how is A2 interfering?

And I don't think this requires actual movement by A2; positioning to block the GK's movement could be sufficient, as in slide #18. A HTBT judgment.

If A2 kept the GK from playing the ball, wouldn't that be obstruction? Not offside?

[LRZ]

Depends on how the GK was prevented from acting. In FIFA, the offense of "impeding the progress of an opponent" (as it is now called in FIFA, I think, although it's still "obstruction" in Fed) requires moving into an opponent's path; merely being in the way is not an offense.

https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afd...t_en_47379.pdf, slide 29.

Of course, the penalty, an indirect kick, is the same for both offside and impeding.

[SamG]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I was just pointing out the difference between being offside and being in an offside position. As you noted before, you cannot be offside on a CK.

I never thought about this before, but I guess it is possible to be in an offside position (not offside) on a CK. The rule does not say that you cannot be in an offside position: let's say A2 is on the goal line and the ball is on one yard in from the goal line, on the CK corner arc. I could be wrong, but I do not know of a case or language stating that the ball is assumed to be on the goal line. NFHS Rule 11-1-2 has this language, which suggest that you can be in an offside position on a CK: "A player shall not be penalized for being in an offside position if the ball is received directly from a goal kick, a corner kick or a throw-in."

Same rule in FIFA. https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afd...w%2011_554.pdf

(By the way, I think you meant "goal line," not "touchline.")

Thank you