New Rules for 2015

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

To emphasize the importance of the rule against personal fouls. Like, the personal fouls were such an issue, let's forget about the false start.

At least one major code takes that attitude regarding 5- & 15-yd. penalties for live ball fouls. How about extending it to dead ball fouls?

PLAY: A 3/3 from the B16 yard line. Player B-68 encroaches, after which B-79 and A-55 each commit DBPFs.

You want to ignore the encroachment & deprive A of a new series?

[pjsaul]

The NFL rule is that a "simple 5" penalty (5 yard penalty with no automatic first down / loss of down component) will not offset a 15 yard penalty committed by the other team.

[APG]

Originally Posted by pjsaul

The NFL rule is that a "simple 5" penalty (5 yard penalty with no automatic first down / loss of down component) will not offset a 15 yard penalty committed by the other team.

More completely put, on a double foul with no COP, with a simple 5 yard penalty (no auto first/loss of down/10 second run off) and the other penalty being a major penalty (15 yards), the 5 yard penalty is disregarded and the 15 yard penalty is enforced from the previous spot. If this occurs on a scoring play, the score is canceled and the penalty is enforced from the previous spot. The combination can be dead/dead, live/live or live/dead.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by CT1

PLAY: A 3/3 from the B16 yard line. Player B-68 encroaches, after which B-79 and A-55 each commit DBPFs.

You want to ignore the encroachment & deprive A of a new series?

Yes, the idea being that that's unimportant & can be forgotten about once there are major fouls.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Yes, the idea being that that's unimportant & can be forgotten about once there are major fouls.

That's ludicrous on it's face. A new series in the opponent's red zone could well be the difference between winning or losing. Certainly that trumps "major fouls".

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by CT1

That's ludicrous on it's face. A new series in the opponent's red zone could well be the difference between winning or losing. Certainly that trumps "major fouls".

Not necessarily. The 15 yds. are given out for stuff that either compromises safety or sportsmanship, so this'd be a statement that safety & sportsmanship are more important than winning or losing.

[FTVMartin]

I still don't understand why the illegal formation on the kickoff is not live ball. Same as illegal formation on a play from scrimmage.

[HLin NC]

Because the Fed doesn't want this particular illegal formation play that contains a safety factor in their eyes legally getting off.

[Sturno]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Because the Fed doesn't want this particular illegal formation play that contains a safety factor in their eyes legally getting off.

Bingo.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by FTVMartin

I still don't understand why the illegal formation on the kickoff is not live ball. Same as illegal formation on a play from scrimmage.

Starting this year it is.

FREE-KICK FORMATIONS REVISED (6-1-3; 6-1-4 NEW; 6-1 PENALTY): In a revision of the 2014 rule change regarding free-kick formations, the timing of the foul for not having at
least four players on each side of the kicker now occurs when the ball is kicked.

Now, do we shut it down as soon as the ball is kicked, just as we do on an offsides play?

[CT1]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Starting this year it is.

FREE-KICK FORMATIONS REVISED (6-1-3; 6-1-4 NEW; 6-1 PENALTY): In a revision of the 2014 rule change regarding free-kick formations, the timing of the foul for not having at
least four players on each side of the kicker now occurs when the ball is kicked.

Now, do we shut it down as soon as the ball is kicked, just as we do on an offsides encroachment play?

Yes, which is why it's signaled as Encroachment, not Illegal Formation. NFHS doesn't want a second kickoff, which would be one of the options if this were administered as a live-ball foul.