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[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

There was no need for your smart ass comment.

What's smart ass about pointing out the obvious? NFL has a particular meaning for "foul between downs", but Fed & NCAA have fouls between downs too (by the ordinary meaning of "between" and the technical meaning of "down"), and the occurrence described is a foul between downs in those codes, so saying it's a "foul between downs" doesn't tell you anything per se. You'd have to know that the NFL deems the new series to be awarded before the penalty is presented.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

so saying it's a "foul between downs" doesn't tell you anything per se.

No. It didn't tell YOU anything. It told the rest of us EXACTLY what we would need to know on this kind of play.

[Cliffdweller]

When a blogger states "NFHS" rules, it would be nice if the replies were referencing NFHS and not all that other crap.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Cliffdweller

When a blogger states "NFHS" rules, it would be nice if the replies were referencing NFHS and not all that other crap.

Well you are going to have to get over that one. Often times questions are asked based on their assumption or knowledge of what took place in another level. Most HS games are not on TV like they are at the other levels and people try often to combine application of one set of rules to another. And that is going to take place whether you or I like it either way.

Peace

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Cliffdweller

When a blogger states "NFHS" rules, it would be nice if the replies were referencing NFHS and not all that other crap.

Threads drift, sorry.

If they drift enough we'll get involved but this hasn't even come close to that threshold yet and the question was already answered.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Cliffdweller

When a blogger states "NFHS" rules, it would be nice if the replies were referencing NFHS and not all that other crap.

It seems most often, those asking questions seem influenced by what they see on TV, or may have expewrienced as players, a lot more than what goes on in a NFHS game. Being aware of the difference, in certain situations between rules codes, makes explanations a lot more direct, relevant and understandable.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by ajmc

It seems most often, those asking questions seem influenced by what they see on TV, or may have experienced as players, a lot more than what goes on in a NFHS game. Being aware of the difference, in certain situations between rules codes, makes explanations a lot more direct, relevant and understandable.

I can't tell you how often I've had those types of conversations with coaches... Some examples off the top of my head:
"That's illegal contact! he can't hit the receiver after 5 yards!"
"Pass interference is a spot foul!"
"He can wear this tinted eyeshield, it's legal"

I usually respond with "Coach, that's a Sunday rule, not a Friday rule."

[mtn335]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I can't tell you how often I've had those types of conversations with coaches... Some examples off the top of my head:
"That's illegal contact! he can't hit the receiver after 5 yards!"
"Pass interference is a spot foul!"
"He can wear this tinted eyeshield, it's legal"

I usually respond with "Coach, that's a Sunday rule, not a Friday rule."

"He only got one foot inbounds!"

"They tried the FG from the 40, why is the ball at the 20?"

"He caught it on the fly, that's not a touchback!!"

"Personal fouls are always automatic first downs!"

[Forksref]

Our problem is 3 sets of rules: Friday, Saturday and Sunday. And Friday's games are not on TV. Thus, an ignorant public and coaches.

[Sturno]

Originally Posted by mtn335

"He only got one foot inbounds!"

"They tried the FG from the 40, why is the ball at the 20?"

"He caught it on the fly, that's not a touchback!!"

"Personal fouls are always automatic first downs!"

You guys are missing the biggest ones.....


"HE WAS OUT OF THE POCKET!!"

&

"Hey ref....#51 is checking in as eligible."

In both cases...."Oh, is he?"

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Threads drift, sorry.

If they drift enough we'll get involved but this hasn't even come close to that threshold yet and the question was already answered.

That's the advantage of tree thread structures, especially those where you can change the subject line in subthreads.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Our problem is 3 sets of rules

And that's if you don't officiate any minor league men's or women's or children's games.