Can offens grab facemask

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by ajmc

The only thing that MATTERS is what the covering official SAW.

And he didn't see it correctly, in my opinion.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by OKREF

And he didn't see it correctly, in my opinion.

Opinions are like anal orifices, everyone has one and it's a little different than everyone elses. On a football field, the covering official's "opinion" is the ONLY one that matters (in NFHS games).

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ajmc

On a football field, the covering official's "opinion" is the ONLY one that matters (in NFHS games).

Oklahoma and West Virginia are not playing in NFHS games, last I checked.

[APG]

Originally Posted by ajmc

The only thing that MATTERS is what the covering official SAW.

Originally Posted by ajmc

Opinions are like anal orifices, everyone has one and it's a little different than everyone elses. On a football field, the covering official's "opinion" is the ONLY one that matters (in NFHS games).

I guess I'm a little confused about what you're trying to convey here. If we have this attitude about discussing plays, we might as well shut down this forum or any discussion group.

Nothing wrong with discussing plays and even saying an official missed a play (which may have happened with the facemask play in question).

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by APG

I guess I'm a little confused about what you're trying to convey here. If we have this attitude about discussing plays, we might as well shut down this forum or any discussion group.

Nothing wrong with discussing plays and even saying an official missed a play (which may have happened with the facemask play in question).

The intent is to suggest, as I presume most officials clearly understand, is that is that an officials judgment call is based on what is ACTUALLY seen, rather than what might be suspected, possible or even apparent.

An official judging he didn't see a hand grasping a facemask, or helmet openting, doesn't mean it didn't happen, only that the official didn't see it happen. As a n official we don't have the luxury of presuming. Absent any constructive suggestion (rule knowledge, mechanics and positioning advice or some material instruction that might benefit future calls) there doesn't seem to any real value in complaining about something someome else did, or didn't, actually see (without benefit of detailed review and assessment)

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ajmc

The intent is to suggest, as I presume most officials clearly understand, is that is that an officials judgment call is based on what is ACTUALLY seen, rather than what might be suspected, possible or even apparent.

An official judging he didn't see a hand grasping a facemask, or helmet openting, doesn't mean it didn't happen, only that the official didn't see it happen. As a n official we don't have the luxury of presuming. Absent any constructive suggestion (rule knowledge, mechanics and positioning advice or some material instruction that might benefit future calls) there doesn't seem to any real value in complaining about something someome else did, or didn't, actually see (without benefit of detailed review and assessment)

I think his point was, that if you have that attitude, you can dismiss every single thread with that logic.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I think his point was, that if you have that attitude, you can dismiss every single thread with that logic.

Thankfully, the majority of responses raise specific questions, suggestions or comments related to rule interpretations, rule philosophies, suggestions or comments about positioning or specific mechanics and their benefit in securing the optimum observation positions. Differences related to the specific, applicable rule codes, are also helpful to recognizing and understanding the impact of differences which can help avoid future unnecessary misunderstandings .

Observations limited to opinions as to whether a purely judgment call was, or may not have been, correct don't seem to hold much value or contribute anything positive to any meaningful discussion.