How hard would be rule possession if order reversed?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ajmc

However it was, and still is illogical and silly to try and interpret 2-20-1 to relate to a player who has voluntarily established himself as being OOB (by satisfying the verbiage of 2-29-1 and establishing himself as being OOB by "touching" the ground OOB) and subsequently, while remaining beyond the confines of the playing surface, leaping into the air.

It's black and white.

There is no case play or interpretation that states any different. When you find something that this player is OOB, post it.

[Robert Goodman]

The reason I asked the question was to see how hard this rule would make it on the officials in my pro league. Some of the things I'd have would eliminate hard calls, others would introduce them, and sometimes, as in this case, I don't know whether officials would find it easier or harder. What this rule would do would cause the field to play as if it were a little bit larger than marked. If the ball subsequently became dead out of bounds (as by having a player gain possession & then touch first OOB), the dead ball spot would be where it crossed the sideline rather than position at the time it became dead.

However, it would apply no matter whether a player was entering or exiting the playing area. If entering, they would have to "establish" as in basketball, though not necessarily identically to however they rule that.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It's black and white.

There is no case play or interpretation that states any different. When you find something that this player is OOB, post it.

Seems like we've been down this rabbit hole before. If you find it necessary to "place your hand in the wound left by the spear", or demand something in writing, that's on you. Knock yourself out with that call.

[Welpe]

Is touching is clear enough and that's about all I have to say about that.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Is touching is clear enough and that's about all I have to say about that.

Too bad that sentence wasn't clear enough.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Too bad that sentence wasn't clear enough.

It isn't directed at you but that is ironic.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Seems like we've been down this rabbit hole before. If you find it necessary to "place your hand in the wound left by the spear", or demand something in writing, that's on you. Knock yourself out with that call.

I admire your determination to remain in the 1% that interpret it this way. Fortunately this rarely if ever actually happens so it won't be a factor in a game anyway.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

I admire your determination to remain in the 1% that interpret it this way. Fortunately this rarely if ever actually happens so it won't be a factor in a game anyway.

Maybe it's a regional thing, or I need to expand my sphere of contact, but I have yet to meet an experienced official who would allow such overly technical silliness to stand.

When a player satisfies the requirement of touching OOB, to become OOB, he is OOB.

[ChickenOfNC]

If a player is touching OOB, he is OOB. If he is not touching OOB, he is not OOB.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[HLin NC]

I'll save us all some trouble now. From 2009!!!!

Reddings guide illegal participation

[Welpe]

We're not doing this again.