End of Giants-Redskins game

[APG]

Originally Posted by hbk314

To followup:

The discussions that I participate in are ones that are of interest to me. I always like to get an officials perspective on things, especially if it's a sport I don't officiate myself.

I umpire baseball over the summer and just recently started doing in-season high school ball. I spend a lot of time reading on here and on Umpire Empire, among other sites, in an effort to better myself as an official and better my understanding of the game as a whole.

I don't officiate football, and I have no plans to officiate football, but I do still have an interest in rules and an official's perspective as to why things happen the way that they do. There have been calls I've disagreed with that, when explained from an official's point of view, made sense.

I realize the the bulk of my posts are in threads about officiating controversies, but I do read the other threads. I'm not going to post if I don't have anything to add to the discussion. I don't think I've been unreasonable, with maybe an exception early on in the WI-ASU thread. I'm certainly not on here to mindlessly bash officials.

The vibe of this post...of wanting to discuss and learn does not match the vibe set forth by claiming that "NFL officials are doing a fantastic job of embarrassing themselves in primetime games this year" and other previous posts in others threads that you have made.

[bisonlj]

I don't think this was an issue of measuring vs. not measuring. The 46 was the line to gain and the ball was obviously placed well short of the 46. There was no reason to stop the clock to measure. The reason to stop the clock was to correct the H and put the chains back where they belong based on the spot. I do question the spot since the L appeared to have the 46 but ceded to the H for some reason.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

I can understand why Tripplette didn't stop the game to give them a free timeout, but, this whole mess could have been avoided if he would have went with the LJ. I always look to the LJ for determining if it's a first down. If he's giving me a first down, as Referee, I'm giving the signal and we are moving the chains.

Mike Pereira was on a national radio show last night and they were talking about this situation. I just caught the last couple of minutes of it. He said that in the NFL, the HL should not move the chains at all until the R signals to him that it is a first down, which didn't happen since Tripplette was signaling third down before the snap.

[tmagan]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Mike Pereira was on a national radio show last night and they were talking about this situation. I just caught the last couple of minutes of it. He said that in the NFL, the HL should not move the chains at all until the R signals to him that it is a first down, which didn't happen since Tripplette was signaling third down before the snap.

True, but I believe the HL believed that Triplette was signaling first down, in fact that was what I think Al saw when he said a first down was rewarded. Looking at the replay, it is awfully tough to discern that it was a third down signal unless you were standing next to Triplette. All the time you see the HL signaling the chain gang to move when the runner obviously reached the line to gain.

[hbk314]

Bengals' BenJarvus Green-Ellis Scores Controversial TD Against Colts | Bleacher Report

Triplette's on a roll.

[bisonlj]

I watched several replays and could not tell if the NT made contact. It looks very possible he tripped on his own which means the reversal was correct. If Triplett did not look at the possible early contact then he may be in a bit of trouble. Per the pool report transcript he only looked at the goal line.

Originally Posted by bisonlj

If Triplett did not look at the possible early contact then he may be in a bit of trouble. Per the pool report transcript he only looked at the goal line.

Correct.

Cincinnati Bengals vs. Indianapolis Colts Pool Report

[Rich]

Originally Posted by hbk314

Bengals' BenJarvus Green-Ellis Scores Controversial TD Against Colts | Bleacher Report

Triplette's on a roll.

Hey, thanks for proving my theory. You realize this isn't a forum to come and bitch about pro officials missing calls, right?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

Hey, thanks for proving my theory. You realize this isn't a forum to come and bitch about pro officials missing calls, right?

Doubt he's even a baseball umpire either. He's never once posted in the Baseball forum concerning a situation he was involved in.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by Rich

Hey, thanks for proving my theory. You realize this isn't a forum to come and bitch about pro officials missing calls, right?

It's not like I'm complaining about every little thing. Or any little thing, really. The only threads I've started have been about huge errors. I only posted that link in here because it was the same referee the very next week, making it somewhat relevant here.

I'm not here mindlessly bashing. I'm commenting on plays as I see them from a non-official's point of view, and I'm getting an official's point of view in response. That's why I post here. Obviously the people on this forum are going to have a better understanding of why things are called the way they are, or the rules that come into play in certain situations, than some idiot on a fan forum or ESPN comment page.

I'm not sure what the problem is with saying a call is wrong when it's wrong. Is there a reason I can't offer my opinion on a play when bringing it up for discussion?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by hbk314

Bengals' BenJarvus Green-Ellis Scores Controversial TD Against Colts | Bleacher Report

Triplette's on a roll.

It appears to me they got this one right, despite the idiots claiming differently. This isn't NCAA rules people.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

It appears to me they got this one right, despite the idiots claiming differently. This isn't NCAA rules people.

The issue here is the potential contact was not at the goal line but back at the 4/5 when he was tripped. That is the contact that was ruled to have put the runner down, but Triplett didn't look at that part of the play to determine if there was contact. I don't think it's conclusive so the call on the field should have stood.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by hbk314

Bengals' BenJarvus Green-Ellis Scores Controversial TD Against Colts | Bleacher Report

Triplette's on a roll.

My advice: maybe start a discussion to see if people here think the call was missed rather than just diving in and, well, I'll leave it at that.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by APG

The vibe of this post...of wanting to discuss and learn does not match the vibe set forth by claiming that "NFL officials are doing a fantastic job of embarrassing themselves in primetime games this year" and other previous posts in others threads that you have made.

There was probably a better way to put it, but there have been several high-profile mistakes (or perceived mistakes) in primetime games in the last few weeks. And to be fair, it's hard to imagine a more embarrassing chain of events than Sunday night.

[ajmc]

Most of us have learned long ago, no matter how hard you suck on a whistle, that damn "tweet" is NEVER coming back. All it takes is an instant of distraction or loss of focus to create a mistake. What matters then, is how well we deal with our mistake.

Most on-field mistakes generate a little scar tissue we carry forward FOREVER to help prevent us from repeating the mistake. Other than that memory, there's little else of value to bother carrying forward, so the smart thing to do, is reset your focus and concentration and snap the ball for the next play.

Next week you'll have another opportunity to work your FIRST perfect game.