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Fri Sep 27, 2013, 12:37am
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Slap the LJ upside the head first of all.
Not sure how you can do anything with an encroachment when the LJ never shut the play down. That would kill the play. And I do not consider a BIB a safety foul, so it is not like you have to stick with that call. Bottom line, slap the LJ upside the head or get another one. Peace
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Is there rule support as how to officiate this play? Or is it just up to the Referee? I would be leaning towards enforcing both, because the play did run and both fouls did occur.
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Fri Sep 27, 2013, 03:10am
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Encroachment is ALWAYS a dead ball foul and ALWAYS prevents the ball from ever becoming live.
It is not possible to enforce a Dead Ball BIB foul, since, technically, it did not occur. Therefore, absent of a Personal Foul, enforce the encroachment and move on. The Rules Book support you are looking for simply does not exist! The Line Judge made an officiating error. Now you are suggesting penalizing a team due to an officials inability to understand a BASIC rule. Their would never be Rules Book support for such a suggestion.
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Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:09am
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The lesson is know when to stop the play. Like KWH says, you cannot have both fouls if one kills the play. A BIB would not be relevant if the play was already dead and if the contact was not a personal foul. Otherwise I would not even think about the BIB. The line judge screwed up, plain and simple. He has to learn from this and move on.
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Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:42am
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Agreed, and make him go with the R to explain why the BIB isn't being enforced and why he didn't blow it dead.
It happens. I assume this was a sub-varsity level game since "tonight" = Thursday? Better to learn there than Friday.
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Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:09am
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Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:32am
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There is rule support for this. Encroachment makes the ball dead. The players moved around some during a dead ball, and there was some contact that would have been a foul had the ball been live. But since it wasn't blocking by rule, which takes place only during a live ball, it couldn't be illegal blocking.
Since the ball is dead, only dead-ball fouls such as illegal personal contact are still on the table. So the crew actually had a choice: pass on the IBB or rule it a DB PF for unnecessary roughness, depending on the severity of the contact. Given that the crew screwed up by not clearly signaling that the ball was dead, I'd have trouble going with option 2.
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