End of Wisconsin - Arizona State game

[hbk314]

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/15/47...te-officiating


Another good summary.

[Adam]

Going to reserve judgment until I see video, but if your argument hinges on summaries from fan sites and an inconclusive still picture, you're not going to convince anyone here.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by Adam

Going to reserve judgment until I see video, but if your argument hinges on summaries from fan sites and an inconclusive still picture, you're not going to convince anyone here.

I'll be interested to see what you have to say after you see it, because I don't think there's much room for interpretation.

[Suudy]

Here's the video:

[Texas Aggie]

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a more massive failure in game officiating.

You'd be hard pressed to find a more stupid comment on here. Even if this was a failure it was not massive and was 100% created by the white QB.

If you want to discuss what the U was doing, and do so rationally, fine. Otherwise, your rhetoric here is pure hyperbole.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

You'd be hard pressed to find a more stupid comment on here. Even if this was a failure it was not massive and was 100% created by the white QB.

If you want to discuss what the U was doing, and do so rationally, fine. Otherwise, your rhetoric here is pure hyperbole.

I have discussed it rationally. The call on the field was correctly that of the play ending on a kneeldown. The QB knelt down with the ball. His knee clearly touched the ground. That's the way the officials called it on the field.

I understand where the confusion comes from, but there's a line between some confusion and allowing the defense to run off the remainder of the clock by laying on top of a ball that should be being spotted for play.

It doesn't take seven seconds to tell a player to get the hell off the ball so I can spot it. It should have resulted in a penalty for delay of game because the way it played out rewarded the defense for holding the ball hostage.

Centering the ball makes sense given that they don't have the best kicker in the world. They had plenty of time to do it. They were lined up to spike the ball to stop the clock with more than 10 seconds to go. The only reason it "failed" is because the officials failed in their duties.



To be honest, I wouldn't be anywhere near as upset by the whole situation if the officials had made any effort at all to correct it. They just ran off the field without even offering an explanation to the Wisconsin coach. That's what's most unacceptable to me.

[RMR]

Originally Posted by hbk314

To be honest, I wouldn't be anywhere near as upset by the whole situation if the officials had made any effort at all to correct it. They just ran off the field without even offering an explanation to the Wisconsin coach. That's what's most unacceptable to me.

Did you not watch APG's video?

The whitehat talked to the Wisconsin coach after the game.

[parepat]

Originally Posted by hbk314

I have discussed it rationally. The call on the field was correctly that of the play ending on a kneeldown. The QB knelt down with the ball. His knee clearly touched the ground. That's the way the officials called it on the field.

I understand where the confusion comes from, but there's a line between some confusion and allowing the defense to run off the remainder of the clock by laying on top of a ball that should be being spotted for play.

It doesn't take seven seconds to tell a player to get the hell off the ball so I can spot it. It should have resulted in a penalty for delay of game because the way it played out rewarded the defense for holding the ball hostage.

Centering the ball makes sense given that they don't have the best kicker in the world. They had plenty of time to do it. They were lined up to spike the ball to stop the clock with more than 10 seconds to go. The only reason it "failed" is because the officials failed in their duties.



To be honest, I wouldn't be anywhere near as upset by the whole situation if the officials had made any effort at all to correct it. They just ran off the field without even offering an explanation to the Wisconsin coach. That's what's most unacceptable to me.

HBK:

I am sure you realize by now that half of the guys on this site are merely apologists for officials. You are right. Guys in leadership positions all over the country agree with you. The officials erred by either (1) blowing an inadvertent whistle, or, (2) failing to set the ball or call a foul on ASU for delay, and (3) having the Umpire "hold" the snapper when no substitution occurred.

The stupidity of the Wisconsin QB in trying to center the ball does not relieve these officials from officiating the play correctly.

They made mistake(s) in a chaotic situation. I also don't think it warrants firing them.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by hbk314

I'll be interested to see what you have to say after you see it, because I don't think there's much room for interpretation.

1. It was an epically stupid play for the QB.
2. The video is completely inconclusive on whether or not his knee was down.
3. The R points down, but he seems to be the only one besides the QB who thought the QB was down.
4. The R seems to be trying to tell the U to put the ball down.
5. The U should have killed the clock if he thought B had recovered a fumble.
6. The U doesn't seem to know what the play result was.
7. By the time the U puts the ball down, there is not enough time to spike ball successfully.
8. What an idiotic play by the QB.

[mplagrow]

I went to bed confused, last night, as to why the QB would think that setting the ball on the ground constituted giving himself up. Not until I saw the rear angle of the play could I actually tell that he did, in fact, down the ball. Whether he did or not is really a moot point, because the ref blew the whistle. To me, the officiating crew seemed completely unaware of the time left, as there was no urgency to retrieve the ball and set it for play. Watch the umpire's actions and body language after the whistle. While casually asking for the ball, he stopped and chatted with another Arizona lineman. Then he raised his hand and made the offensive line wait. Is there any way that they could have stopped and conferred instead of dashing off the field, to make sure they got it right?