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Old Sat Aug 02, 2003, 06:26pm
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Does anyone know where I could find schedule of assignments for each referee crew to a nfl game?

googled for quite a bit and I'm coming up empty for this years games 2003-2004. I found one for last year, but I need this years. I'd like to keep track of how the crews do in each game and if I start now maybe I could track for several years.
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Old Sat Aug 02, 2003, 07:16pm
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Cool Hey bro you from the 808 state?

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Old Sat Aug 02, 2003, 07:24pm
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Does anyone know where I could find schedule of assignments for each referee crew to a nfl game?

googled for quite a bit and I'm coming up empty for this years games 2003-2004. I found one for last year, but I need this years. I'd like to keep track of how the crews do in each game and if I start now maybe I could track for several years.
The information that you're looking for isn't available. Professional sports leagues do not publish the schedules of their officiating crews. There are all types of concerns including the safety and security of the officials, and gambling issues.
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Old Sat Aug 02, 2003, 09:42pm
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clever you

oh yeah, I'm an islander and someone should do research on tendencies of nfl referees. Whether it's unconcious or not a little bias is not a good thing. This url is on the betting side http://www.twominutewarning.com/2002ref.htm
but a more non-interested 3rd party could be a better point of view.
My point of view: no matter the country, the sport, the culture, gamblin' exists. I don't want to espout my views, but there are many things in our culture that is such an oxymoron thing and gamblin' is one of them.
Officiating professional sports seems like a closed society and not open to the general public and that is one the reasons there is so much angst between the public and referees.
I don't want to go on and on. The info I'm seeking is not a state secret or for the defense of a country.
I just wondered about tendencies and if I could find a relationship with some good ole database analysis.
oh well, thought I'd ask ...
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Old Sat Aug 02, 2003, 11:21pm
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The NFL officials are under a microscope and are looked at and graded during each game. Just out of curiosity what makes you think officiating is a closed society. Anyone who wants to can become an official. It may take you 15 - 20 years to get as high as the NFL. Another curious question, and not trying to be a smart $#@@, but what qualifications do you think you have. NFL officials aren't just people off the streets. They spent a minimum of 10 years at the high school level and then another 5 years at the college level. That's just the minimum just to apply. So to think that officials favor one team or another as your website suggests is ridiculous. Before you start judging officials maybe you should become one to get and inside view on exactly how dedicated you have to be. As far as bets, I wouldn't place any amount of money on any team based on your study. Some teams foul more than others so its not the crew. It may be easier to do your study on the types of plays called by the coach. That is what causes teams to win or lose, or how many interceptions a team throws.
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Old Sun Aug 03, 2003, 12:14pm
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You're not into Maori rugby, are you?
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Old Sun Aug 03, 2003, 06:01pm
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Cool Little man syndrome

I think this guy may be suffering from "little man syndrome"
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Old Sun Aug 03, 2003, 06:59pm
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Re: clever you

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oh yeah, I'm an islander and someone should do research on tendencies of nfl referees. Whether it's unconcious or not a little bias is not a good thing. This url is on the betting side http://www.twominutewarning.com/2002ref.htm
but a more non-interested 3rd party could be a better point of view.
My point of view: no matter the country, the sport, the culture, gamblin' exists. I don't want to espout my views, but there are many things in our culture that is such an oxymoron thing and gamblin' is one of them.
Officiating professional sports seems like a closed society and not open to the general public and that is one the reasons there is so much angst between the public and referees.
I don't want to go on and on. The info I'm seeking is not a state secret or for the defense of a country.
I just wondered about tendencies and if I could find a relationship with some good ole database analysis.
oh well, thought I'd ask ...
First, why is "gamblin'" and oxymoron? And who ever said that gambling doesn't exist here, there, or anywhere?

In addition, you mean to tell me that officiating professional sports isn't open to just anyone?? Jeez, I could have sworn they just picked seven guys off the street. Seriously, don't you think that there is a good reason why officiating pro sports is a closed society?

Now as for this website, I've never been a conspiracy theorist anyway, but if the guys in Las Vegas do their job right, then the favored teams should cover just about as often as they don't cover. If that's true, then just by dumb luck some crews are going to work mostly games where a favorite covers and some crews are going to work mostly games where the favorite fails to cover. Also, this conspiracy theory would work better if there was only one official out there, as that one guy could then really influence the game with his "style." Even if certain officials did favor the favorites or the underdogs (and, no I don't think anyone out there does have a bias!), it is highly unlikely that you would end up with a crew of 7 guys who all have the same bias.

And now that I've written all of this, I am wondering why I even choose to dignify this subterfuge.

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Old Sun Aug 03, 2003, 08:46pm
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As a younger referee, I have learned that in order to make it to the pros, in any sport, you need to be at the top of your game, sometimes even more so than the pros themselves. The competition is so fierce just to get to that level, along with all of the years of work to get to have the opportunity, that it would be ludicrous for an official to risk all of that by throwing a call. They know that if they did, the league official supervisors would throw them out the door. It is the dream of all of the NFL officials to make it to that level, so to even question their love of the game by saying that they may be bias is ridiculous.
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Old Mon Aug 04, 2003, 09:00am
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Re: clever you

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I don't want to go on and on.
Good.

Whether you like the reasons I offered or not, those are the issues. There are a lot of psychos out there. We don't even make high school officiating schedules public. I have a friend who is a major D1 basketball official, works TV games all the time, that kind of thing. His family has gotten phone calls, threatening his life while the game was still being played. Imagine if we allowed the same knuckleheads access to scheduling and travel plans. Hell, people can even go to a Little League game without showing their ***.

Posting schedules would create huge problems, yet would serve no purpose. Those who are scheduled know where they need to be. There's no need for anyone else to know.
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Old Mon Aug 04, 2003, 01:00pm
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Good one, AB!

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You're not into Maori rugby, are you?
AB, I just belly-laughed with this one!

Hey, xmenehune. Go back to the index page and hit "Boxing" if you want a sport where you can fix the outcomes for your betting puposes.
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