A new can of PSK worms

[sm_bbcoach]

4/4 from A 46. A5 kicks ball legally and it crosses the ENZ. B10 is awaiting the kick on B 16 and gives an in-valid fair catch signal(the hand never gets above his chin.)
He catches the ball at B 15.

Why would this NOT be PSK? It meets all criteria for it:

past the ENZ, R foul during the kick (ball in air), r posses?

Any thoughts?

[Uncle Ernie]

Not sure what NFHS is...is there still a foul for an invalid fair catch signal??

I think NCAA is the ball is dead at the spot and there is no foul.

[Smiley]

This is a PSK foul. Why did you think it wasn't?

[KWH]

Originally posted by sm_bbcoach
4/4 from A 46. A5 kicks ball legally and it crosses the ENZ. B10 is awaiting the kick on B 16 and gives an in-valid fair catch signal(the hand never gets above his chin.)
He catches the ball at B 15.

Why would this NOT be PSK?
It meets all criteria for it:

past the ENZ, R foul during the kick (ball in air), r posses?

Any thoughts?

Yes sm_bbcoach you are correct in that this penalty will be enforced under NFHS PSK enforcment because:

1) During a scrimmage kick (other than a try) NFHS 10-4-3a
2) There was an R player foul (Invalid Fair Catch Signal) NFHS 6-5-7 NFHS 10-4-3b
3) The kick crossed the ENZ NFHS 10-4-3c
4) The foul occured before the end of the kick NFHS 10-4-3d
5) R is in possession when the down ends and will be the next team to put the ball in play NFHS 10-4-3e
6) R had "Clean Hands" up until the ball crossed the ENZ NFHS top of page 73)

In your play the kick ended at the R15 when B-10 caught the ball. The BJ should blow his whistle to kill the play when B-10 catchs the kick, the bean bag should be dropped at this point marking the new basic spot.
The five yard penalty takes the ball to the R10 yard-line where R will be next to put the ball in play 1st and 10.

Believe me guys it takes way longer to write this penalty than it ever will to enforce it!

This enforcement and underlined rule references are correct for all states in this fine nation of ours which includes the District of Columbia that are goverened under NFHS Rules.(Therefore this statment is invalid in Massachusetts and Texas)
For those of you using modified NCAA rules for high school football (Massachusetts and Texas only) Invalid Fair catch signals are dealt with differently.[/b]

Worms? Where are the worms? We don't need no stinking worms.

The only remaining question then is this:
How will DEROCK handle PSK?
Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the goal post?

[Ed Hickland]

Originally posted by sm_bbcoach
4/4 from A 46. A5 kicks ball legally and it crosses the ENZ. B10 is awaiting the kick on B 16 and gives an in-valid fair catch signal(the hand never gets above his chin.)
He catches the ball at B 15.

Why would this NOT be PSK? It meets all criteria for it:

past the ENZ, R foul during the kick (ball in air), r posses?

Any thoughts?

It is absolutely a PSK foul. Interesting, sometime in the past when the code was modified to be simpler, an invalid fair catch fell under a loose ball foul provision meaning when Team B made the signal the ball was in team possession of A. Ergo, back to the previous spot and a chance for Team A to get a first down. That was one of the points that led the debate over the unfair tilt of the rules for PSKs.

[Theisey]

Originally posted by Ed Hickland
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Interesting, sometime in the past when the code was modified to be simpler, an invalid fair catch fell under a loose ball foul provision meaning when Team B made the signal the ball was in team possession of A. Ergo, back to the previous spot and a chance for Team A to get a first down. That was one of the points that led the debate over the unfair tilt of the rules for PSKs. [/B]

It was changed in 1993 Ed. You might say that up until then, we really did have a form of a PSK even if it was only for one specific foul.
My thought at the time they changed the enforcement was "are you kidding? We have to give the ball back to team-K because a team-R receiver gave a lousy signal". Ouch!
I'm all for PSK in NF/high school football but not the way it was implemented. I'll just have to live with it. No problem, PSK is not new to me, I just have to learn a couple differences.

[James Neil]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KWH

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The only remaining question then is this:
How will DEROCK handle PSK?
Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the goal post?

Steve,
LOL I sure would (well maybe not)... but what do you want to bet that ole Derock has already been using his own "game sense" version of PSK during his blusterous career? LOL