Super Bowl No Call

[OKREF]

That was a hold. Arm wrapped around and grabbing the jersey. Maybe the reason Crabtree couldn't get away is he was being held.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

That was a hold. Arm wrapped around and grabbing the jersey. Maybe the reason Crabtree couldn't get away is he was being held.

Grabbing the jersey alone is not holding.

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Grabbing the jersey alone is not holding.

Although it was earlier in this game.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

Although it was earlier in this game.

No. Grabbing the jersey ALONE was not holding early in the game.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

Although it was earlier in this game.

If I'm remembering the same play (and I only remember one DPI being called in the game), then there was clear and material restriction by the 49ers' cornerback on the play.

[APG]

Originally Posted by OKREF

That was a hold. Arm wrapped around and grabbing the jersey. Maybe the reason Crabtree couldn't get away is he was being held.

There's has to be material restriction for there to be a hold (and in this case, pass interference)...a simple grab alone is not enough for a penalty.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by APG

There's has to be material restriction for there to be a hold...a simple grab alone is not enough for a penalty.

This.

Look I'm a huge 49er fan but I think a no call here was the right call.

[ajmc]

I wonder if this play may be an excuse to revise the mechanics philosophy for end zone coverage. Moving the near side deep official, over to the far sideline, in the vicinity of the 20 yard line. would give the officials the same magical viewpoint as the visiting coaches have, which seems to provide an absolutely perfect view.

[Andy]

Question for you all as I am not a football official and do not have any knowledge of the mechanics.

From a football fan only perspective, I could agree with a call or a no-call on the play. My question is the positioning of the officials. From what I saw, the two officials who could have had a look at the play were both straight lined and looking through the players. The side official (SJ?) was almost directly behind the receiver and the Back Judge was moving toward the play along the back line of the EZ, looking through the defensive back.

I'd be interested to hear any thoughts that any of you may have on this.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Andy

Question for you all as I am not a football official and do not have any knowledge of the mechanics.

From a football fan only perspective, I could agree with a call or a no-call on the play. My question is the positioning of the officials. From what I saw, the two officials who could have had a look at the play were both straight lined and looking through the players. The side official (SJ?) was almost directly behind the receiver and the Back Judge was moving toward the play along the back line of the EZ, looking through the defensive back.

I'd be interested to hear any thoughts that any of you may have on this.

This is not really BJ's call at all - he's moving over to cover a possible back-line call. HL (or LJ) is probably out of the film shot, but in perfect position to help with this call if SJ (or FJ) are unable to see it.

[JRutledge]

I would have to see the play in question again, but based on what I remember the deep wings (SJ, FJ) and Back Judge were all at the end line at the start of the play. The only ones that would have been behind the play are the short wings (Linesman or Line Judge). As a general rule the outside receiver is the key of the deep wing to that side of the field. Potentially 3 officials could see some part of the play if they have gotten off their key and zone up to cover their angle. The deep wing or back judge would see the entire play if the receiver was their key and then the other official would see it once it was clear the pass was being made to that area. Any one of these 3 officials could have called this foul if they saw it that way, but usually at least one official is with the entire play the entire time if they are doing their job and likely passed because they saw the actions of the receiver and saw both players grasping and holding each other.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would have to see the play in question again, but based on what I remember the deep wings (SJ, FJ) and Back Judge were all at the end line at the start of the play. The only ones that would have been behind the play are the short wings (Linesman or Line Judge). As a general rule the outside receiver is the key of the deep wing to that side of the field. Potentially 3 officials could see some part of the play if they have gotten off their key and zone up to cover their angle. The deep wing or back judge would see the entire play if the receiver was their key and then the other official would see it once it was clear the pass was being made to that area. Any one of these 3 officials could have called this foul if they saw it that way, but usually at least one official is with the entire play the entire time if they are doing their job and likely passed because they saw the actions of the receiver and saw both players grasping and holding each other.

Peace

The play was from the 5 -- the deep wings were at the end line, the back judge was on the end line, the short wing went to the pylon as the play developed.

A flag, if there was one considered EARLY in the play, would've likely come from the deep wing -- the outside guy is his key. Not that I'm saying there should've been one -- I don't think that at all.

[grunewar]

Did the Ravens get away with a no-call?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Did the Ravens get away with a no-call?

Pass interference ... and THEN a hold? I'll mail that Harbaugh a rulebook if the other Harbaugh will reimburse the $80 I lost when he took that ill advised safety.