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Old Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:07am
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After the INT, it's a simple running play. The basic spot is A's goal line.
CT1, hear is how I read the OP ... The offense (A) throws an interception in the endzone (B's EZ). The defense (B) commits a holding penalty in the endzone (B's EZ) after the interception and the intercepting team (B) meanwhile returns the ball for a TD.

Since A is responsible for putting the ball in the EZ, the basic spot is determined by 10-4-6.

10-4-6 . . . The basic spot is the 20-yard line for fouls by either team when the opponent of the team in possession at the time of the foul is responsible for forcing the ball across the goal line of the team in possession, and the related run ends in the end zone and is followed by a loose ball, regardless of where the loose ball becomes dead.

The following Case Book is similar.

10.4.6 SITUATION B: B1 intercepts A’s pass in B’s end zone, B2 clips A9 at B’s 10-yard line after the change of possession. B1 then fumbles in B’s end zone and the ball rolls out of the end zone and out of bounds at B’s 2-yard line. RULING: The penalty is enforced under the all-but-one principle. The basic spot is the 20-yard line. The penalty would be enforced half the distance, first and 10 for B on the 5-yard line. (10-4-6).
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Old Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:24am
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CT1, hear is how I read the OP ... The offense (A) throws an interception in the endzone (B's EZ). The defense (B) commits a holding penalty in the endzone (B's EZ) after the interception and the intercepting team (B) meanwhile returns the ball for a TD.

Since A is responsible for putting the ball in the EZ, the basic spot is determined by 10-4-6.
You would be correct if B fumbled in their own EZ following the INT. But that didn't happen in the OP.

Since B's foul occurred after the INT and there was no further COP, it's a simple running play.
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Old Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:24am
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Forgive the non-football guy, but I don't believe the part in red occurs in the OP. Thus, I don't believe this rule applies.
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You would be correct if B fumbled in their own EZ following the INT. But that didn't happen in the OP.

Since B's foul occurred after the INT and there was no further COP, it's a simple running play.
Thanks for the input ... I was too quick to apply 10-4-6.

The interception is a running play and the foul happened behind the end of the run. The enforcement spot will be the spot of foul. Since the spot of the foul is in B's EZ, it will result in a safety.
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Old Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:54am
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10-4-6 . . . The basic spot is the 20-yard line for fouls by either team when the opponent of the team in possession at the time of the foul is responsible for forcing the ball across the goal line of the team in possession, and the related run ends in the end zone and is followed by a loose ball, regardless of where the loose ball becomes dead.
Forgive the non-football guy, but I don't believe the part in red occurs in the OP. Thus, I don't believe this rule applies.
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Old Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:19am
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Since A is responsible for putting the ball in the EZ, the basic spot is determined by 10-4-6.

10-4-6 . . . The basic spot is the 20-yard line for fouls by either team when the opponent of the team in possession at the time of the foul is responsible for forcing the ball across the goal line of the team in possession, and the related run ends in the end zone and is followed by a loose ball, regardless of where the loose ball becomes dead.
Neither part of this clause applies: the EZ referred to is (in this play) B's EZ, and the OP ends in A's EZ.

And, as Altor points out, the play did not involve a fumble by B.

CT1 is correct: you have a running play by B that ends in A's EZ, where the result of the play is a TD for B. The basic spot would thus be A's GL, and since the foul was committed by the offense (B) behind the basic spot, ABO enforcement would make this a spot foul.

But you don't need to go through ABO reasoning here. I pointed out in post #2, 8-5-2c gives you the result of a safety directly.
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