Enforcement Options for Illegal Forward Pass

[ODJ]

1- the distance part of the penalty can always be declined.

2- nevermind.

[PocketSidewalk]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

A second foul by Team A after the illegal incomplete forward pass.

An illegal forward pass is considered a running play for penalty enforcement purposes, and the spot of the illegal forward pass is the end of the run. If the penalty for the second foul by Team A were accepted, it would be enforced from the spot of the illegal forward pass (not the previous spot).

Does this mean that if Team B declined the penalty for the illegal forward pass and accepted the penalty for the second foul by Team A then the loss of down aspect of the IFP penalty could still be enforced?

[PocketSidewalk]

Originally Posted by ODJ

2- an incomplete and illegal FP more than 5 yards past the LOS on 4th down.

I still don't see how this would benefit Team B.

Assuming that Team A didn't make the line-to-gain on 4th down, wouldn't Team B want the extra 5 yards before they take over on downs?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PocketSidewalk

An illegal forward pass is considered a running play for penalty enforcement purposes, and the spot of the illegal forward pass is the end of the run. If the penalty for the second foul by Team A were accepted, it would be enforced from the spot of the illegal forward pass (not the previous spot).

Not necessarily, unless I'm missing something.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by PocketSidewalk

An illegal forward pass is considered a running play for penalty enforcement purposes, and the spot of the illegal forward pass is the end of the run. If the penalty for the second foul by Team A were accepted, it would be enforced from the spot of the illegal forward pass (not the previous spot).

Who said anything about previous spot?

What if the second penalty was for a foul behind the end of the run?

Can you say "All But One?"

[PocketSidewalk]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Who said anything about previous spot?

What if the second penalty was for a foul behind the end of the run?

Can you say "All But One?"

Good point. So the spot of the IFP becomes the basic spot, and fouls by the offense behind the basic spot are penalized from the spot of the foul (i.e., All But One). Even though the penalty for IFP might be declined, the spot of the IFP would still be used as the basic spot for any other fouls committed during the down.

But back to my earlier question:

If Team B declined the penalty for an IFP and accepted the penalty for a second foul by Team A, would the loss of down aspect of the IFP penalty still be enforced, or would the down be replayed?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by PocketSidewalk

Good point. So the spot of the IFP becomes the basic spot, and fouls by the offense behind the basic spot are penalized from the spot of the foul (i.e., All But One). Even though the penalty for IFP might be declined, the spot of the IFP would still be used as the basic spot for any other fouls committed during the down.

But back to my earlier question:

If Team B declined the penalty for an IFP and accepted the penalty for a second foul by Team A, would the loss of down aspect of the IFP penalty still be enforced, or would the down be replayed?

The down would be replayed if another live ball foul (with no LOD provision) is accepted in lieu of the IFP.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Rich

The down would be replayed if another live ball foul (with no LOD provision) is accepted in lieu of the IFP.

So, 1/10 on A40. A throws an IFP at A38 while also holding at the a) A39 or b)A35.

Options for a) are
Accept IFP 2/10 A33 or Accept holding 1/10 A28

Opptions for b) are
Accept IFP 2/10 A33 or Accept holding 1/10 A25

Do I have that right?

[maven]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

So, 1/10 on A40. A throws an IFP at A38 while also holding at the a) A39 or b)A35.

Options for a) are
Accept IFP 2/10 A33 or Accept holding 1/10 A28

Opptions for b) are
Accept IFP 2/10 A33 or Accept holding 1/10 A25

Do I have that right?

Not quite. Why 2/10 or 1/10 for all options? You're either replaying the down or losing it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

So, 1/10 on A40. A throws an IFP at A38 while also holding at the a) A39 or b)A35.

Options for a) are
Accept IFP 2/10 A33 or Accept holding 1/10 A28

Opptions for b) are
Accept IFP 2/10 A33 or Accept holding 1/10 A25

Do I have that right?

NFHS rules:

The IFP is enforced as a running play. The end of the run is the A38.

Accept IFP, decline hold: 2/17 A33 for either situation.

Accept hold, decline IFP: a) 1/22 A28. b) 1/25 A25. All-but-one enforcement. B is the "but one" scenario.

We don't reset the chains. The LTG is still the 50.