Fed Face guarding?

[Robert Goodman]

From the video, not even close to face guarding. The player in white never looked toward the ball, but was watching the player in black all the way. The player in black was playing the ball. So not only was it not face guarding because he was making an attempt to catch it (which succeeded), it was not face guarding because he didn't hinder the opponent's vision -- the opponent was looking the wrong way to begin with. I don't know what you guys who are calling it face guarding are seeing, from such a good video.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

From the video, not even close to face guarding. The player in white never looked toward the ball, but was watching the player in black all the way. The player in black was playing the ball. So not only was it not face guarding because he was making an attempt to catch it (which succeeded), it was not face guarding because he didn't hinder the opponent's vision -- the opponent was looking the wrong way to begin with. I don't know what you guys who are calling it face guarding are seeing, from such a good video.

It is based on interpretation. Again we do not judge whether they actually succeed in obstructing vision, we judge based on the fact the arms are up and attempting to do nothing else but get in the way of the vision. There is no other reason a player puts their arms up in that manner unless you are trying to "face guard." The problem is that players often do this when they are clearly beat and as a last resort. But to say this is clearly not a foul is laughable. This has been show as evidence over the years by the NF in video and in their Simplified and Illustrated book.

Peace

[HLin NC]

The player in white never looked toward the ball, but was watching the player in black all the way.

You do realize that is probably reason #1 to call it DPI? You argue against your own position.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is based on interpretation. Again we do not judge whether they actually succeed in obstructing vision, we judge based on the fact the arms are up and attempting to do nothing else but get in the way of the vision.

But that's not what the player in black was doing, he was going for the ball. Meanwhile the player in white was playing the player in black, not looking for the ball. It's hard for me to believe we could be seeing this so differently.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

From the video, not even close to face guarding. The player in white never looked toward the ball, but was watching the player in black all the way. The player in black was playing the ball. So not only was it not face guarding because he was making an attempt to catch it (which succeeded), it was not face guarding because he didn't hinder the opponent's vision -- the opponent was looking the wrong way to begin with. I don't know what you guys who are calling it face guarding are seeing, from such a good video.

Um ... I think your complete misunderstanding of this play is the result of you thinking the player in white was the offense. White is the defense, and the player guilty of faceguarding. Black is offense, and is looking at the ball, and somehow managed to catch it behind White's head.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Um ... I think your complete misunderstanding of this play is the result of you thinking the player in white was the offense. White is the defense, and the player guilty of faceguarding. Black is offense, and is looking at the ball, and somehow managed to catch it behind White's head.

Also faceguarding is not unique to the defense. Both offense and defense cannot face guard.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Also faceguarding is not unique to the defense. Both offense and defense cannot face guard.

Peace

I know that... but it's apparent from what he said that he's looking at the wrong guy as the faceguarder.

[CT1]

I would want my crew to have a DPI flag on this play, without waiting to see if it were completed.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I know that... but it's apparent from what he said that he's looking at the wrong guy as the faceguarder.

Oh. Never mind. I was indeed trying to find the face guarding on the part of the black player that I thought you guys were imagining. I could certainly understand the white player's being flagged.