Last play of GB Seattle

[JRutledge]

Part of the problem is that it seems like you are not understanding the major point because you do not officiate this sport. Nothing wrong with that, but you are trying to split hairs on issues that ultmately you do not seem to have a grasp of because of your not understanding basic rules. If a player touches out of bound and there is no possession of the football, then the play would be over and ruled out of bounds on the spot. As it relates to a catch, then you cannot have a catch of a pass if this takes place. If one player had possession of the ball and the other is trying to grab at the ball, the play would continue if this took place in the middle of the field. This would be no different if a runner is has the ball and a defender that is trying to tackle them or rip the ball out of their hands is touching the sideline, you do not kill the play. When possession in the EZ is established in-bounds the play is over if the team trying to score a TD has possession.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigBaldGuy

The Back Judge is in horrible position...why is he so far away from the "jump ball"?

Where is he supposed to be?

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BigBaldGuy

The Back Judge is in horrible position...why is he so far away from the "jump ball"?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Where is he supposed to be?

Peace

BBG is suggesting that upon seeing the ball in the air, the BJ should have made a better effort to get to the calling area to help with the ruling.

And I agree with him.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

BBG is suggesting that upon seeing the ball in the air, the BJ should have made a better effort to get to the calling area to help with the ruling.

And I agree with him.

I do not necessarily agree with him as I am not sure where else he should be.

Peace

[bigjohn]

[Welpe]

Personal attacks and general bickering have been dealt with. Keep it civil.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Play was already over.

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Not sure the point. Both signals stop the clock and the calling official made a ruling. If you have a TB, you do not use the stop clock signal.

Peace

[voiceoflg]

Having never officiated football,I ask this because I simply want to know. Were the officials in the right place to make the call as the players touched the ground? If not, where should they have been?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Oh how I miss Official Review on NFL Total Access.

The show would be too long this season.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Texref

Jeff according to the case plays it does not matter who landed first, it matters who controlled the ball first. Plain and simple.

Actually, the case plays are silent on this aspect.

[KMBReferee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Oh how I miss Official Review on NFL Total Access.

Doesn't help things that Mike Periera was out in the Sierra Mountains last night. You'd think he and his wife would have made that trip before or after football season. He was out to dinner last night for the end of the Sunday Night Football game, too.

[Forksref]

Blown calls (2) on the last play.

Blatant OPI. I would have flagged than in an instant!

Interception. No way would I have given a TD on a play where a player sticks one hand in there.

The NFL "Brand" is being cheapened by the use of these incompetent replacement officials. The NFL has long been the best sports league because of the professionalism in all aspects. No way can you match the speed, intensity and complexity of the NFL with D-III and HS officials. How sad to see the league decline like this.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BigBaldGuy

The Back Judge is in horrible position...why is he so far away from the "jump ball"?

Can't believe it took 6 pages for someone to say this. This was my initial thought.

[MD Longhorn]

Throw me in with the vast minority... I have a TD for all the reasons Jeff mentioned, as well as not clearly seeing Jennings with the ball first. He might have had BETTER possession (irrelevant to the rules), but there is no 2-hand requirement on possession or control, and we've all seen 1-handed catches many times. The left hand on the ball, that never came off the ball despite Jennings pulling at it, is enough to demonstrate control to me. No where in the rules does it say that if one player has 2 hands (or a chest) on the ball and another has 1, the guy with 2 gets it.

Put it this way - remove Jennings from the picture, and have Tate and the ball only - do you have a catch for Tate? I do - and that's enough.

My issue with the officials in this game was not the TD/INT at the end - it was the 2 blatantly wrong pass interference calls, and to a lesser degree it was the lack of Referee participation in the discussion of this call at the end.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by KMBReferee

Doesn't help things that Mike Periera was out in the Sierra Mountains last night. You'd think he and his wife would have made that trip before or after football season. He was out to dinner last night for the end of the Sunday Night Football game, too.

Maybe it's their anniversary or her birthday. Plus FOX doesn't have games on Monday night.

As someone who doesn't officiate football I just want to make sure I'm clear on another aspect of the play. Am I right on assuming based on the responses here that you are not going to call Pass Interference on a game-ending Hail Mary? And if not, is the philosophy the same for a Hail Mary on the last play of the 2nd quarter?